1 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:27,562 Uh, forget what we were doing. This is really good. 2 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:30,356 Oh, Christ. 3 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,273 Whew. 4 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:36,359 Uh, listen - - a bar of soap? 5 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:38,694 This is better than - this is good. 6 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:41,246 - Oh, yeah. Yeah. - This is good. 7 00:00:41,333 --> 00:00:42,698 - Not bad. - Not at all. 8 00:00:42,793 --> 00:00:44,354 Could you go over there to that side, please? 9 00:00:44,378 --> 00:00:45,493 Oh, certainly. 10 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:48,628 Whoo! 11 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:51,213 I'm guilty, huh? 12 00:00:53,095 --> 00:00:54,756 We're all guilty, god knows. 13 00:01:06,275 --> 00:01:10,268 J fourteen junkies too weak to work & 14 00:01:11,113 --> 00:01:16,107 jd one sells diamonds for what they're worth & 15 00:01:16,201 --> 00:01:18,567 & down on pain street & 16 00:01:18,662 --> 00:01:22,496 j disappointment lurks j 17 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:27,038 j; Son, don't be home too late & 18 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:31,955 j try to get back by eight & 19 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:37,845 j son, don't wait till the break of day & 20 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:41,219 j 'cause you know how time fades & 21 00:01:41,852 --> 00:01:43,308 j time fades away j 22 00:01:43,395 --> 00:01:46,887 j you know how time fades away & 23 00:01:57,075 --> 00:01:58,315 How are we doing? 24 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:00,776 We're ready anytime you want. Let's roll it. 25 00:02:00,871 --> 00:02:02,577 Roll it, I guess. 26 00:02:02,664 --> 00:02:05,246 Now, we're gonna roll. There should be some silence. 27 00:02:05,334 --> 00:02:07,620 U h, ma yes? Y? 28 00:02:07,711 --> 00:02:10,168 - Do you want us to roll now? - Certainly. 29 00:02:10,255 --> 00:02:12,997 - We're rolling. Quiet, please. - Sure, why not? 30 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:16,299 We're rolling now. 31 00:02:18,430 --> 00:02:20,325 - Are we rolling now? - We have been for some time. 32 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:21,885 We have been rolling for some time. 33 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:24,557 As I suspected. You thought I didn't know. 34 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:26,852 I could see you knew from the way you were acting. 35 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:29,500 What I want to get to - how much film do we have left in that? 36 00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:31,014 Why don't you tell a story? 37 00:02:31,109 --> 00:02:33,463 Uh, how much film - first, tell me the story about the film. 38 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:34,922 - Two minutes left. - Two minutes left. 39 00:02:34,946 --> 00:02:37,383 It'll never work for two minutes. George, you think it'll work for two minutes? 40 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:39,052 - Huh? - Think we'll get the story in two minutes? 41 00:02:39,076 --> 00:02:40,803 - No, no. No, no. - I doubt it. I doubt it very much. 42 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:42,533 No. No way. No way. 43 00:02:42,621 --> 00:02:44,641 How could you tell a Steven prince story in two minutes? 44 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:45,871 Two minutes. I don't know. 45 00:02:45,957 --> 00:02:48,994 - I lost $17 in Vegas. - You lost $17 in - what is that, $17? 46 00:02:49,086 --> 00:02:50,246 Hello. 47 00:02:50,337 --> 00:02:51,918 Who the hell is that? “Who is that? 48 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:56,673 George, you get it. You get it. Everybody sit down, please. 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,671 We already got the pizza, right? 50 00:02:59,805 --> 00:03:01,761 We got the pizza. What is this? 51 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:02,883 On. 52 00:03:12,651 --> 00:03:14,983 Let's see what he has to drink! 53 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:32,166 Do you give up? 54 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,245 Do you give up? 55 00:03:34,339 --> 00:03:35,545 Yes. 56 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:37,623 Okay. 57 00:03:53,608 --> 00:03:55,314 - I give up. I give up. - Do you give up? 58 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:57,267 - All right. - I give up. 59 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,771 Who is he? 60 00:04:00,866 --> 00:04:03,403 Who is he? Who is he? 61 00:04:04,911 --> 00:04:06,651 I think that's the pizza man. 62 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:24,715 You give up? Yeah. 63 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:27,381 It's the Italian crab. 64 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:30,258 - You give up? - All right, I give up. 65 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:31,684 - You give up? - I give up. 66 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:33,637 All right, Steve. You fuck. 67 00:04:33,732 --> 00:04:35,768 You fuck. 68 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:38,016 Oh, you bastard. 69 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:41,903 Well, now that he's finally arrived - 70 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:45,198 Steve? Is this your quarter? 71 00:04:45,994 --> 00:04:48,610 Oh, Jesus, we dropped this. We dropped the Pepsi-cola. 72 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:53,203 Well, sit down. 73 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,830 Hello, Steve. 74 00:04:56,838 --> 00:04:59,329 - Now we can eat. - All right, give me a kiss. 75 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:01,005 Just a big, wet one. 76 00:05:06,264 --> 00:05:08,425 Oh, careful. Careful. 77 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:12,176 Just a second. Move the sofa over here. That's better. 78 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:14,932 - That's better. - Let's make some room over here. 79 00:05:15,023 --> 00:05:17,480 - Make a little room this way. That's fine. - You give up? 80 00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:19,398 - You give up? - Yeah, I give up. 81 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:25,113 Whew. Steven, you son of a bitch. 82 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:30,236 You! Scorsese! 83 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:33,492 What? 'What? 84 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,872 Well, I think now that both of you are here, we can tell some stories. 85 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:47,469 And, uh, I had a couple of friends 86 00:05:47,556 --> 00:05:49,296 who had a ranch. 87 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:51,256 And we all went down there, 88 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:57,517 and we got ourselves... Some really great, great grass. 89 00:05:57,607 --> 00:05:59,768 - I mean, great. - It was good, huh? 90 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:01,270 - It was fantastic. - It was good. 91 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:05,354 And it must've been about, uh, 11 or 12 of us in a room, 92 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:07,029 something like this. 93 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:12,328 And we're sitting in there and we're smoking and we're smoking. 94 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:14,279 And I, uh - 95 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:18,121 right where this would be was a hallway, 96 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:21,624 and it was from one room leading into the kitchen. 97 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:23,651 It was like from the dining room leading into the kitchen. 98 00:06:23,675 --> 00:06:26,382 It was just, you know, like, a little space there. 99 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:29,256 And I'm sitting there and I'm just smoking away. 100 00:06:29,347 --> 00:06:32,259 And all of a sudden I see this black thing go by like that. 101 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:37,094 And I turned to the guy and I said, "Charlie, uh, you got a monkey here." 102 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:41,640 And he says, "no, there's no monkeys here." 103 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:46,195 And I said, "yeah, I just saw a monkey. I just saw it walk by there." 104 00:06:46,281 --> 00:06:50,775 And he said, "no, no, that's bubba." And I said, "that's bubba?" 105 00:06:50,869 --> 00:06:53,952 He said, "yeah, that's bubba." He says, "bubba, come in here!" 106 00:06:54,039 --> 00:06:55,199 Bubba comes in. 107 00:06:55,290 --> 00:07:00,080 Bubba is a fully-grown silverback gorilla. 108 00:07:00,170 --> 00:07:03,833 Nine hundred pounds, four-and-a-half feet tall. 109 00:07:03,924 --> 00:07:07,007 Right? Comes walking in. He's got a straw hat on. 110 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,960 - And he's wearing short pants. - No! 111 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:12,262 Okay? All right? 112 00:07:12,349 --> 00:07:15,182 Really. Really. He was toilet-trained. 113 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:17,008 He was toilet-trained. 114 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:19,014 And when you would go - 115 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:22,848 when you would say to him, "I'm right, aren't I, bubba?" 116 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:24,228 He would shake his head "yes." 117 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,230 You'd say, "that's wrong, isn't it, bubba?" 118 00:07:26,321 --> 00:07:27,731 He'd grunt, shake his head "no." 119 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:30,029 And it was like the old story, you know. 120 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,528 "Where does the gorilla sleep? Anywhere he wants to." 121 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:35,827 You know, who's gonna bother him? Who's gonna bother him? 122 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:36,994 And... 123 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:40,240 He just - he was very frightening, 124 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:44,248 because he was just so human-like, you know. 125 00:07:44,339 --> 00:07:47,206 But he's big and strong. H-he - 126 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:48,915 he showed us one of his tricks. 127 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:53,674 He took a Cadillac tire and turned it inside-out with his hands. 128 00:07:53,765 --> 00:07:57,724 That was a cute trick, I thought. A steel-belted radial tire. 129 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,347 Ba-dum! Ba-dum! 130 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,393 Just with the hands. Oh, god - 131 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,642 - he was - he was taught that? Yeah. Yeah. 132 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:06,816 He also was taught to straighten out a horseshoe. Straight. 133 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:10,771 And gorillas have a thing that they're very clean 134 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:14,153 and they like to go through hair and take the ticks out, right? 135 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:17,361 And he sticks his hand - 136 00:08:17,455 --> 00:08:19,946 this girl's talking, she didn't know where he was. 137 00:08:20,041 --> 00:08:23,204 He sticks his hand through her hair and starts looking for ticks. 138 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:27,708 She went 40 feet in the air, screaming, running out of the house. 139 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:35,921 Yeah. They're never seen - they're never seen again. 140 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:49,226 Once I remember - once on a Thanksgiving dinner, 141 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,233 uh, we got a telephone call from Texas. 142 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:58,739 And they had built a brand-new 16-inch Cannon. 143 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:01,742 Sixteen-inch - took a 16-inch shell, you know? 144 00:09:01,833 --> 00:09:03,994 And they had built it, 145 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:08,328 and they had put a round in the chamber, 146 00:09:08,423 --> 00:09:11,540 closed the chamber and fired it, and it didn't go off. 147 00:09:11,634 --> 00:09:13,625 And they didn't know what to do. 148 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,301 And they called him up. 149 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:18,004 And this is Thanksgiving meal and he's sitting there on the phone, 150 00:09:18,099 --> 00:09:22,889 and he said, "well, let me - did you try this? Did you try that? 151 00:09:22,979 --> 00:09:27,564 You tried all those things, huh? You got a newspaper there? 152 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:31,438 Okay. Open the, uh, breach door. 153 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:34,441 Stuff newspaper in around the breach door. 154 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:36,864 Slam the breach door closed. 155 00:09:36,951 --> 00:09:40,364 Get yourself about 200 yards of rope. 156 00:09:40,455 --> 00:09:43,663 Tie it on to the - to the cord. 157 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:46,366 Move way back and pull it." 158 00:09:46,461 --> 00:09:49,328 They moved way back and pulled it. You could hear it through the phone. 159 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,457 You know, like that. 160 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:55,212 What it was, was they designed it, 161 00:09:55,303 --> 00:10:00,468 and it was, like, the breach door didn't close a 32nd of an inch off. 162 00:10:00,558 --> 00:10:03,470 So the firing pin was missing by a 32nd of an inch. 163 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:06,769 So when you put the newspaper in, it made perfect contact. 164 00:10:07,732 --> 00:10:10,269 They would call him up for little things like that. 165 00:10:11,194 --> 00:10:13,105 And, uh... 166 00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:22,945 My mother, without a doubt, 167 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:26,748 cooks the most bland food in the world. 168 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:29,622 No taste at all. 169 00:10:29,712 --> 00:10:31,168 No taste! 170 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:33,417 - This man is saying that about his mother. - Right. 171 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:36,591 She was - she was really terrific. 172 00:10:36,678 --> 00:10:40,387 And she was a very strong lady. 173 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:42,429 Uh, I can remember one - 174 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:43,597 one - 175 00:10:43,685 --> 00:10:46,097 one winter, a blizzard - 176 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:49,224 she had planted the tree when we first moved into this house. 177 00:10:49,315 --> 00:10:53,433 And now the tree was, like, you know, 20 years old. 178 00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:56,520 And, uh, it was just a beautiful tree. 179 00:10:56,614 --> 00:11:00,027 And this blizzard was just ripping it up by the roots. 180 00:11:00,118 --> 00:11:03,235 And my father, my brother Ronnie, my brother Jeffrey and myself 181 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:05,160 are looking out the window at the hurricane 182 00:11:05,248 --> 00:11:08,536 and watching the tree being torn up, and it was just terrible. 183 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:12,118 And, uh, my brother Ronnie looks out the window and he says, 184 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:13,919 "look at that. There's somebody out there. 185 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:16,874 Who's that asshole with their back holding the tree up?” 186 00:11:16,968 --> 00:11:19,155 And my father said, "that's no asshole. That's your mother. 187 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:21,073 Get out there! Get out there!" 188 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:24,055 "Get a block and tackle! Get some rope! Go down the street!" 189 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:27,182 Then my father went out and stood in the middle of the hurricane, and he was, 190 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:29,511 "put a line on that! Get a line over there! 191 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:31,938 Get some boards up under that!" 192 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:40,404 My uncle, uh, he's Abe lastfogel. 193 00:11:40,491 --> 00:11:42,857 He owns the William Morris agency. 194 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:47,946 And his older sister, bessie, is my grandmother. 195 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:52,124 And, uh, she used to, uh - 196 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:54,919 she used to - 197 00:11:55,757 --> 00:11:56,963 what kind of woman? 198 00:11:57,050 --> 00:12:00,383 She was just a real Russian Jew. 199 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:04,679 She used to teach advanced ball-busting 302 200 00:12:04,766 --> 00:12:08,258 and, uh, phd ball-busting. 201 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:09,593 Phd? Yeah. 202 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:12,679 She was a ball-buster 203 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:14,890 from the word go. 204 00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:19,819 She cracked nuts from day to night, man. She was unbelievable. 205 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:23,485 And she - she was just - 206 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,407 when she'd take us out to dinner, 207 00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:30,034 uh, I-If the string beans were cold - 208 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:31,830 "send it back!" 209 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:33,579 You know, that kind of thing. 210 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:38,755 The wine. You know, she - she taught me to drink wine. 211 00:12:38,841 --> 00:12:42,584 And she'd taste the wine, and she'd taste it. 212 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,136 "It's no good. Break the case." 213 00:12:46,808 --> 00:12:48,890 I mean, what's this - 214 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:52,352 - she ran a paper company. Yeah? 215 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:55,145 - She ran a paper company till she was 84. - Uh-huh. 216 00:12:55,233 --> 00:12:57,394 She was right in there all the time. 217 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:59,066 She was sitting in the office, 218 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:04,693 and darting through the fire escape comes this thief with a gun. 219 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,817 And he wanted the payroll for the - 220 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:10,028 he wanted the payroll that was in the safe 221 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:13,035 for all the guys downstairs in the paper mill. 222 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:14,866 And she's talking on the phone. 223 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:18,499 He says, "all right, put down that phone! And don't anybody move!" 224 00:13:18,589 --> 00:13:21,296 And she says, "you just wait one minute! 225 00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,750 I'm talking to my daughter on the phone, 226 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:27,212 and when I'm finished talking to my daughter, I'll get to you." 227 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:30,381 - "Henrietta? Henrietta?" - That's true. 228 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:32,637 "I'm going to have to hang up now. I'm being robbed." 229 00:13:32,729 --> 00:13:34,344 Hung up the phone. 230 00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:36,270 Is she still alive? 231 00:13:36,357 --> 00:13:38,689 She - sh-she's still alive. 232 00:13:38,776 --> 00:13:40,687 About a year ago she had a stroke, 233 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:44,987 and, uh, she's, uh, paralyzed and she can't talk. 234 00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:46,814 And, uh... 235 00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:48,987 Uh... 236 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:02,171 I was 16, but I liked to make money. 237 00:14:02,258 --> 00:14:05,625 Uh, I, uh, had an idea. 238 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,929 Because the great neck area is mostly Jewish people. 239 00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:13,679 And Jewish people like to have bagels on Sunday morning. 240 00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:17,433 So I went over the queens line and bought hot bagels, 241 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:20,640 uh, for a very small amount of money, 242 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:22,271 and brought them into great neck 243 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:25,069 and sold them for a very large amount of money 244 00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:28,398 to the people in great neck, turning over quite a profit. 245 00:14:28,493 --> 00:14:30,279 After a while I had five guys working for me. 246 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,736 I didn't even have to get up out of bed. 247 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:35,822 They were doing the whole thing. I had a whole route and everything. 248 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:40,331 What did he call what? 249 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:43,496 What did you call your bagel business? 250 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,627 Hot bagels. 251 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:50,178 On that note, move on the next subject! 252 00:14:54,268 --> 00:14:56,384 There's something here about sailing. 253 00:14:56,479 --> 00:14:58,811 About an alcoholic skipper and a pitcher. 254 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:02,356 - I have absolutely no idea what - - You have no idea. 255 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:05,003 - It says, "Steve tells -" just a second. - Yes, you do. 256 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:06,857 - You know this story. - Just a second. 257 00:15:06,948 --> 00:15:08,654 I just want to read you what this says, 258 00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:11,027 after a great deal of research we did on the whole thing. 259 00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:13,039 "Steve tells about filling a pitcher with vodka." 260 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:17,476 All right, we better cut that out. Note to the editor. 261 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,162 We better cut that out because it'll blow the ending of the story. 262 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,369 - Okay. Wanna tell the story, Steve? - Uh, yeah. 263 00:15:22,463 --> 00:15:27,548 Uh, this man, um, who was a really, very good sailor, 264 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:31,378 decided that he would take us out and treat everybody. 265 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:34,172 This was the 4th of July, 266 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:37,475 so it was a big, big thing. 267 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:40,349 And he had - a really big thing. 268 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,149 He had a drinking problem which I did not know about. 269 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:45,645 He was an alcoholic. 270 00:15:45,736 --> 00:15:47,977 And everybody in his family knew about it, 271 00:15:48,072 --> 00:15:51,189 and they were all keeping the booze away from him. 272 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:53,366 But I was his friend. 273 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:56,991 I mean, I had some camaraderie going with the guy. 274 00:15:57,081 --> 00:15:58,742 And he said, "Steve, come here. 275 00:15:58,833 --> 00:16:01,370 I want you to go downstairs, go in the foot locker, 276 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:04,749 and I want you to get a pitcher that looks like water. 277 00:16:04,839 --> 00:16:07,672 Put some ice in it and put two bottles of vodka in there." 278 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:09,678 "And bring it back up here. 279 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,216 I'll ask for some water. 280 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:12,589 Right? Can you do it? Right?" 281 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,386 "Yeah," I said. "Okay." Right? 282 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:17,591 I didn't know. What do I know? Okay. 283 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:21,143 So, uh, we're out there, and it's - 284 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:22,891 "Steve, would you get me some water?" 285 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,974 Down, bang, vodka. Back up there. 286 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:29,185 And he's sitting in the back there knocking these drinks down like this. 287 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,134 And his wife and everybody else is up there getting suntans and everything. 288 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:34,945 And everybody - "gee, dad's doing great.” and he's in the back - 289 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:36,651 oh, hey! 290 00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:38,782 J over the bounding main & 291 00:16:38,873 --> 00:16:41,034 he's really having a great time, you know? 292 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:44,709 And all of a sudden it starts to get dark. 293 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:47,252 And we're out there in the middle of the long island sound, 294 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,706 and it's getting dark, and we don't know where we are. 295 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,415 And his wife realizes - 296 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:53,342 she goes back there and she realizes - 297 00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:57,013 "oh, he's drunk." 298 00:16:57,099 --> 00:16:59,181 "You bum." 299 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:01,930 He runs us right into a sandbar. 300 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:04,262 Grounded. 301 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:08,983 Okay? He says, "all right, just everybody shut up. 302 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:12,779 I don't want to take any more shit from anybody, all right? 303 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,856 I will get us out of here.” 304 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:20,491 He goes down, goes - gets his special emergency kit out. 305 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:23,823 Takes his flare gun out. He's got 30 flares. 306 00:17:23,918 --> 00:17:28,287 He stands there, and every time a boat passes he fires a flare. 307 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,793 It's the fourth of July. Everybody applauds. 308 00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:37,260 Forty flares. 309 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:42,885 Not until the next morning did the coast guard tow us off. 310 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:47,188 And his wife's going, "you bum! 311 00:17:47,275 --> 00:17:49,231 You asshole!" 312 00:17:49,318 --> 00:17:50,683 You know... 313 00:17:50,778 --> 00:17:52,769 Oh, god. 314 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,778 Tell Marty about that, uh, cable. 315 00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:03,988 That cable that started sparking. 316 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:07,575 - I don't think that that's - - Oh, come on, Steven. 317 00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:10,002 - He doesn't want to tell it. - That was an accident. 318 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:12,751 - I had nothing to do - - Who died? Who died? 319 00:18:12,842 --> 00:18:15,128 - I had nothing to do with it. - Now, wait a second - 320 00:18:15,219 --> 00:18:17,380 if the kid didn't play with the cable to begin with, 321 00:18:17,471 --> 00:18:19,132 he wouldn't have gotten electrocuted. 322 00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:24,054 And I had nothing to do with it. 323 00:18:24,145 --> 00:18:27,433 I've always said that. I've always said it was an accident. 324 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,935 - It was in tompkins square park. - Oh. 325 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:31,266 It was in tompkins square park 326 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,692 when I was on the mobile tour in tompkins square park. 327 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:34,894 Oh, yeah. 328 00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:37,731 And he we had these connectors that connect together like this, 329 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:42,945 and we ran, like, 2,000 feet of cable from the generator trucks. 330 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:45,121 - Yeah? - And, uh... 331 00:18:45,207 --> 00:18:49,120 Some kid pulled apart two of the cables. 332 00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:51,076 Uh-huh. 333 00:18:51,172 --> 00:18:53,163 When I saw the meters go down, 334 00:18:53,257 --> 00:18:56,624 I, uh, ran immediately to see where the break was. 335 00:18:56,719 --> 00:18:58,334 We came running up on this kid. 336 00:18:58,429 --> 00:19:03,594 He was standing against the metal fence in, uh - in a puddle of water. 337 00:19:03,684 --> 00:19:05,871 He was holding it by the rubber, but he had pulled it out, 338 00:19:05,895 --> 00:19:07,180 and he had the two brass - 339 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:09,478 the brass was sticking out on both things like that. 340 00:19:09,565 --> 00:19:11,601 And I, you know - in that neighborhood, 341 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:15,063 their first instinct is to run. 342 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,536 'Cause they figure you're gonna give them hell. 343 00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:20,940 I said, "listen, no one's gonna hurt you. No one's gonna do anything to you. 344 00:19:21,035 --> 00:19:23,151 You know, don't worry about anything." 345 00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:27,363 And he dropped one cable into the fence and dropped the other cable into the, uh - 346 00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:29,414 - oh, no. - Into the water. 347 00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:31,743 And it was a DC generator truck. 348 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:34,123 So it took me about a minute to get to the generator truck 349 00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:35,921 before I could the hit the switch off. 350 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:37,748 - What happened? - He fried. 351 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:39,253 - He was dead? - Oh, yeah. 352 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:40,460 Yeah. Died. 353 00:19:40,554 --> 00:19:43,011 Yeah. He, uh... 354 00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:44,805 - Well... - That was... 355 00:20:03,077 --> 00:20:05,193 The set we were putting up was lady in the dark. 356 00:20:05,287 --> 00:20:06,652 Oh! Lady in the dark. 357 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:11,366 I was in charge of a crew, 'cause I was the head tech student. 358 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:13,416 And they would bring in union carpenters. 359 00:20:13,504 --> 00:20:15,665 And I had five union carpenters working under me. 360 00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:19,874 And I had to build the whole thing out on the side of the stage. Okay? 361 00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:21,947 I had the blueprints and everything, and they says, 362 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:25,964 "oh, this fucking kid, 18 years old, and we're gonna have to work under him." 363 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:28,390 And I'm working. And I could work pretty fast. 364 00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:32,265 I could keep going. I mean, I could go for a pretty long time. 365 00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:35,018 I'm working there about 20 hours, and I'm getting tired. 366 00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:38,351 And I'm watching this guy, and he is moving along, 367 00:20:38,446 --> 00:20:42,530 and he's been working about 36 hours and not a sign of tired. 368 00:20:42,616 --> 00:20:46,359 And I walk over to him and I said, "how can you do this?" 369 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,661 "Come on behind the scene dock here." 370 00:20:49,832 --> 00:20:51,823 And I said, "okay, sure." 371 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:56,544 He takes out a syringe, fills it up with pure methedrine. 372 00:20:57,298 --> 00:20:59,004 You know, crystal meth. 373 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,485 - Uh-huh. - What is that? 374 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:03,376 That's - that's... pure speed. 375 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,052 - Pure speed? - Pure amphetamine. 376 00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:06,675 - Oh. - And he goes... 377 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,677 On my leg like that. 378 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,429 Puts the shot in like that. 379 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:14,182 And then vroom! Takes the shot out and walks away. 380 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:18,607 And I'm standing by the scene dock and I'm going, "no. He didn't do that." 381 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:23,688 I whip out of there and I go, "all right, you guys! Here's the blueprints!” 382 00:21:28,579 --> 00:21:30,319 I whip through my one assignment, 383 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:32,530 and the head carpenter comes over to me and he says, 384 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,956 "that was really great.” 385 00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:37,786 I said, "what else you want me to do? What do I got? Props? Props? 386 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,417 Lights. Painting. What? What is it you want me to do?" 387 00:21:40,508 --> 00:21:43,921 Seventy-two hours I was running around like a m-maniac. 388 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,468 - How much did you take? - As much as he gave me. 389 00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:50,931 Ji son, don't be home too late j 390 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:56,220 j try to get back by eight & 391 00:21:58,234 --> 00:22:02,443 j son, don't wait till the break of day & 392 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:05,988 j 'cause you know how time fades away j 393 00:22:06,075 --> 00:22:07,736 j time fades away j 394 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:11,615 j you know how time fades away & 395 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:30,004 - Oh, god, was I scared shitless. - So, what happened? 396 00:22:30,099 --> 00:22:34,593 Well, I had a plan, and, uh, like I said, and - 397 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:36,678 my father was a colonel in the army. 398 00:22:36,772 --> 00:22:40,185 I know the army. My brother was a second lieutenant. 399 00:22:40,276 --> 00:22:43,484 I know the way the army thinks, the way that they're set up. 400 00:22:43,571 --> 00:22:46,028 So I had my plan based on that. 401 00:22:46,115 --> 00:22:47,525 I went in - you take - 402 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:51,154 first you take a, uh - a mental test to see how smart you are, 403 00:22:51,245 --> 00:22:54,362 so they can place you in what field. 404 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:57,914 I answered every question truthfully, but I just left - 405 00:22:58,002 --> 00:23:00,789 - didn't say yes or no to one question. - Uh-huh. 406 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,836 - What was that? - The one question? 407 00:23:02,923 --> 00:23:05,790 - Wait, wait, wait. - Wait. I'll tell you. 408 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:08,547 Uh, and then I took my physical examination. 409 00:23:08,637 --> 00:23:10,423 I passed with flying colors. 410 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:13,005 Now, when you cause them a problem, 411 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:16,934 you're immediately separated from the people who are going in 412 00:23:17,021 --> 00:23:19,478 and the people who are causing the problem. 413 00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:22,773 You are sent to the problem line. And I was sent to the problem line. 414 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:26,853 And I was sent - and my case was reviewed by some second lieutenant. 415 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:29,154 Some 90-day wonder, you know? 416 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,529 The guy was about maybe two days older than I was... 417 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:34,948 And knew nothing about the army. 418 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,621 And he had the "passed" stamp. He had the "passed" stamp. 419 00:23:37,708 --> 00:23:41,041 And I could read the word "passed" upside-down as he went down - 420 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:43,744 as he was gonna go "wonk!" On my paper. 421 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,047 But he stopped because he said, "you have to answer this question.” 422 00:23:47,134 --> 00:23:49,295 And the question was, 423 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:53,095 "have you ever had a homosexual relationship? 424 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:55,764 Do you have homosexual tendencies?" 425 00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:58,843 Latent. Latent homosexual tendencies. 426 00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:01,270 And I said, "I can't answer that question." 427 00:24:01,357 --> 00:24:04,565 I said, "my father's a colonel in the army. 428 00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:06,608 He's had a heart attack. 429 00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:09,277 Uh, my brother's a second lieutenant. 430 00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:11,071 I refuse to answer that question.” 431 00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:13,945 He says, "you have to answer that question!" 432 00:24:14,036 --> 00:24:15,401 I said, "I refuse." 433 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:18,828 He said - no. Then he calls his captain in. 434 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:21,019 The captain comes in and says, "you have to answer the question." 435 00:24:21,043 --> 00:24:22,999 I said, "I'm not gonna - I refuse.” 436 00:24:23,087 --> 00:24:26,079 Captain says, "all right, w-we give you our word 437 00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:30,212 that only military personnel will have access to this file." 438 00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:33,510 I said, "oh, your word? That's your word?" 439 00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:36,555 He said, "yes." I said, "okay. Yes, I have." 440 00:24:36,642 --> 00:24:39,759 He said, "failed. Leave." Boom. Bonk. 441 00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:42,344 One o'clock in the afternoon. I was out. 442 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:44,145 I was out. That was it. Out. 443 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:46,098 One o'clock in the afternoon. And I got a 4f. 444 00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,559 And they weren't giving 4fs then, either. 445 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,440 Wasn't bleep - - no. 446 00:24:50,531 --> 00:24:53,318 No, he wasn't there at the time. You know? 447 00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:58,153 Oh. 'Cause the rumor around town was that you named him as co-respondent. 448 00:24:58,247 --> 00:24:59,487 Yeah, I did. 449 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:00,616 Oh. 450 00:25:00,708 --> 00:25:01,993 - I did. I did. - True. 451 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:03,199 - Yeah. - Then you did. 452 00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:06,535 Yeah, I named him - they asked, "will you name the co-respondent 453 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:09,167 who you had the homosexual relationship with?" 454 00:25:09,258 --> 00:25:12,000 - Oh, god. - And I said, "get." 455 00:25:12,094 --> 00:25:14,085 That's telling 'em. 456 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:18,088 And their father. 457 00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:21,637 Then I was in New York, 458 00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:24,812 and I was still working for the Shakespeare festival at that time. 459 00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:26,729 I had just finished up. 460 00:25:26,817 --> 00:25:29,809 Hair just opened at the downtown theaters. 461 00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:32,645 I did the lights for harr. 462 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:37,029 Then I went to work for Fred weintraub, who I had worked on and off for. 463 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,263 You knew Fred a long time? 464 00:25:38,287 --> 00:25:41,154 I knew Fred a long time because he managed the pickle brothers. 465 00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:43,614 I knew Fred since I was 16. 466 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:46,542 Fred would refer to me as his Nemesis. 467 00:25:53,302 --> 00:25:57,295 I made the night deposits for the bitter end and the tin angel. 468 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:59,345 I used to make it across the street in a bank. 469 00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:02,925 And this bank was in the middle of a whole city block. 470 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,373 It was right in the middle. Nothing was on either side of it. 471 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:07,228 You could see everything that went on there. 472 00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:09,932 You just had to open it and drop the thing in the box. 473 00:26:10,027 --> 00:26:13,110 That was it. There was nobody around or anything. 474 00:26:13,197 --> 00:26:15,688 And I used to carry a gun. I have a permit to carry a gun. 475 00:26:15,783 --> 00:26:18,195 And I carried a gun. It was freezing at night. 476 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,742 I put my key in, pulled the thing down, 477 00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:22,945 went to drop the night deposit in, 478 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,248 and a knife came - shh - right there. 479 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:29,543 And I said, "it's not my money. Take it." 480 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:32,372 The guy took it and he ran. He ran about 20 feet. 481 00:26:32,466 --> 00:26:34,360 And I pulled the gun out, and it was an automatic, 482 00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:37,217 and I cocked it, and he heard the metal slam home. 483 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,136 And he just froze. 484 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,011 And I said, "don't move." 485 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:45,764 "You scared the shit out of me. 486 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,641 You move and I'll kill you. 487 00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:50,063 Really." 488 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,061 And I had him lie down on the ground. 489 00:26:52,152 --> 00:26:55,110 - And then Jack the cop came. - Who's Jack the cop? 490 00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:58,781 Jack the cop is the guy who's on, uh, the, uh - 491 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:01,449 - the bleecker street, uh, route. - Oh, yeah. That's right. 492 00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:04,779 Okay. And Jack comes over and says, "what have you got here?" 493 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:07,740 And he took - he took my gun away, 494 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:10,998 and he, uh, - 495 00:27:11,088 --> 00:27:14,421 you know, released the h-hammer and he put it back in my thing. 496 00:27:14,508 --> 00:27:17,250 He says, "what do you got here?" I said, "this guy robbed me." 497 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:18,629 I said, "arrest him." 498 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,052 He said, "no, if I arrest him, 499 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:24,849 I'm gonna have to go downtown to fill out reports for 18 hours. 500 00:27:25,435 --> 00:27:29,019 I'll go around the corner. You shoot him." 501 00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:30,812 This guy's laying down on the ground. 502 00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:34,016 "Don't kill me! Don't shoot me!" 503 00:27:34,111 --> 00:27:36,477 "You shoot him, and then the detectives will come. 504 00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:39,405 They'll have to fill the reports out." 505 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:42,949 And every time the guy started doing something, he'd hit him with the club. 506 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:44,822 "Quiet! I'm talking! 507 00:27:44,913 --> 00:27:47,950 Quiet. Be quiet. Boom. You shoot him, and then I'll come - 508 00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:50,703 - quiet. Boom." - So, what happened? 509 00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:54,082 So, then he finally picked the guy up and arrested him to make the collar. 510 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:57,506 What was it like with drugs at this time? Was it rough stuff yet? 511 00:27:57,593 --> 00:28:01,677 Uh, yeah, well, I was starting to get into, uh - 512 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:03,344 when I was working at the tin angel, 513 00:28:03,432 --> 00:28:08,426 I was, uh, getting into heavy drugs, pretty heavy drugs. 514 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,729 I'd done acid, and acid didn't particularly interest me. 515 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:18,311 And, uh, cocaine, you know... T-take it or leave it. 516 00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:19,645 Grass or hash. 517 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:23,403 But, uh, heroin always interested me. 518 00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:27,031 And, uh, I got, uh - yeah? 519 00:28:27,122 --> 00:28:30,865 Started using heroin every once in a while. 520 00:28:31,877 --> 00:28:35,244 After a while, I got to using it, I guess, as a crutch. 521 00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:40,504 Because, uh... I would be high all the time. 522 00:28:40,594 --> 00:28:43,711 - Yeah. - And I was 21 years old. 523 00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:46,171 And I was road managing. 524 00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:49,724 And I was - it was a big job. It was a big responsibility. 525 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:53,224 And I had to deal with a lot of people who didn't want to know about me. 526 00:28:53,315 --> 00:28:55,897 I had to deal with promoters, 50-year-old promoters. 527 00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:58,316 I had to deal with, you know, stage managers, 528 00:28:58,403 --> 00:28:59,984 guys that were three times my age. 529 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,028 They didn't want to know about me. 530 00:29:02,115 --> 00:29:04,356 And I would come on the stage 531 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:07,864 and, uh, after a while, I had a reputation - 532 00:29:07,955 --> 00:29:09,491 "don't even walk past him." 533 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:11,492 Don't - 534 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:15,121 "don't - don't even talk to that person because he got -" 535 00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:17,954 I'd go, "fuck you!” 536 00:29:18,048 --> 00:29:19,754 "Oh, fuck you! 537 00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:22,966 I can't have that dressing room? 538 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:24,839 Well, let me tell you something, brother. 539 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:29,139 You got 12,000 people out there, and they want to see Neil diamond, right? 540 00:29:29,226 --> 00:29:30,841 He's not coming tonight. 541 00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:33,302 You're gonna go out and tell them? I'll see you. 542 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:35,809 They're gonna rip this place apart. Goodbye." 543 00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:38,974 So, you were taking heroin during all that? 544 00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,357 Yeah, I was taking it all during that time. 545 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:45,985 Uh, and I got into it very heavily. 546 00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,738 How many year period when you were road managing? 547 00:29:48,829 --> 00:29:51,036 Uh, I was road managing for about two years. 548 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,284 Two years. Two, three years there. 549 00:29:54,209 --> 00:29:57,167 Before that, I was, uh, at the tin angel. 550 00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:01,079 But I was doing heroin for about five years. 551 00:30:01,174 --> 00:30:04,758 For about three of those years, it was - for two of those years, it was very heavy. 552 00:30:04,845 --> 00:30:07,006 It was like once every four hours. 553 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,097 Oh. 554 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:12,509 See, when I scheduled plane flights for Neil, 555 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:14,843 uh, nobody knew about this, 556 00:30:14,938 --> 00:30:18,430 but we never made a plane flight that lasted more than four hours. 557 00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:22,688 We'd always make connections. They never figured it out. 558 00:30:22,779 --> 00:30:24,690 They figured, "Steve knows what he's doing. 559 00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:27,864 I mean, obviously he's in charge. He knows what's happening." 560 00:30:27,951 --> 00:30:30,363 We'd never be more than four hours. 561 00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:35,622 You really functioned better with road managing? 562 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:38,621 Carrying all that equipment and the shows, back and forth? 563 00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:41,829 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. 564 00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:45,791 Because it's - it's, um, an energy. It's - 565 00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:49,378 after you're over the, uh - 566 00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:53,466 you're into the initial of it, of the life juice. 567 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,221 It's like a tana leaf. 568 00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:57,223 Right? 569 00:30:57,314 --> 00:30:59,167 - It's like a tana leaf. - 7he mummy's tomb. 570 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:03,525 Right? You gotta - kharis must have the tana leaf, you know. 571 00:31:03,612 --> 00:31:07,275 And it's a life juice and you don't need that much sleep. 572 00:31:07,366 --> 00:31:09,652 You need maybe two hours of sleep. 573 00:31:09,743 --> 00:31:12,325 And the rest of the time, you're on the nod anyway. 574 00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:15,529 I mean, I had a house when I was working for Neil. 575 00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:18,081 I had house up in marmont. 576 00:31:18,168 --> 00:31:21,126 And then eventually, uh - 577 00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:25,547 I was still living in the house when I kicked dope, when I stopped doing it. 578 00:31:25,634 --> 00:31:27,670 And I was off dope for months. 579 00:31:27,761 --> 00:31:30,218 And one day I walked into the kitchen, 580 00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:34,719 and I realized that the ceiling in the kitchen was painted green. 581 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:38,177 'Cause my eyes were never open that much to see the ceiling. 582 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:40,011 Oh, Jesus Christ. 583 00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:41,847 I mean, I was like this. 584 00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:54,901 Did you ever get arrested or anything? 585 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:56,236 Uh... 586 00:31:57,499 --> 00:31:59,865 Uh, I was, uh - 587 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,544 oh, there's a long answer there. Long pausing, long pausing. 588 00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:07,339 I was involved - yes. No, I wasn't - I wasn't arrested. 589 00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:12,295 I had a friend who was a dealer, who was a very heavy dealer in smack. 590 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:16,632 And they could never pin smack on him. They could never pin a heroin rap on him. 591 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:20,264 But he'd taken some guy someplace and beaten him up. 592 00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:22,141 And he was an ex-prizefighter. 593 00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:27,067 So they, uh... had warrants out for him 594 00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:32,023 for... you know, assault with a deadly weapon and kidnapping. 595 00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:34,654 And he met - 596 00:32:35,412 --> 00:32:38,529 he came to the house and he brought a kilo of heroin. 597 00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:43,242 And I put it in a special spot, in a special place that I had built. 598 00:32:43,336 --> 00:32:44,814 I had built a special chest of drawers 599 00:32:44,838 --> 00:32:46,920 that was, like, Chinese and had a special bottom. 600 00:32:47,007 --> 00:32:48,651 This is while you were still road managing? 601 00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:50,666 Yeah. And, uh - 602 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:54,803 and then he came in and he went to sleep in the bedroom. 603 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:59,008 And I was watching television in the den, and his girlfriend Betsy was there. 604 00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,764 And we were expecting two other people. 605 00:33:01,855 --> 00:33:03,720 So the doorbell rang. Betsy goes downstairs. 606 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:05,271 She answers the doorbell. 607 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:07,815 And it's, uh, 608 00:33:07,903 --> 00:33:11,942 the entire narcotics squad for Hollywood, 609 00:33:12,032 --> 00:33:14,523 coupled with the federal agents. 610 00:33:14,618 --> 00:33:18,156 Fifteen of them. Fifteen of them. 611 00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:20,237 And they just - shh! 612 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,199 They put tape over her mouth, put a gun to her head. 613 00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:26,956 Then they snuck up the front staircase and the back staircase. 614 00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:30,414 Now, leading into the living room - the television is where you are. 615 00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:33,501 I'm sitting here on the couch. Over there are those beaded curtains. 616 00:33:33,595 --> 00:33:34,880 Yeah. 617 00:33:34,971 --> 00:33:36,177 Out of peripheral vision - 618 00:33:36,264 --> 00:33:39,097 I'm sitting there eating a box of cocoa Jacks. 619 00:33:39,184 --> 00:33:41,015 I'll never forget it. 620 00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:43,684 Out of peripheral vision, I can see... 621 00:33:44,773 --> 00:33:50,564 A 12-Gauge shotgun and two .38s, you know, right there. 622 00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:55,447 And I - and I turned over and I went - 623 00:33:55,534 --> 00:33:57,820 the whole box up in the air. 624 00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,117 And the guy went... 625 00:34:00,455 --> 00:34:02,116 He went like this. 626 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:04,163 "Put your hands on your head and sit over there." 627 00:34:04,251 --> 00:34:06,062 And I did, and then they let the guy in the back. 628 00:34:06,086 --> 00:34:07,230 They let the guys in the back. 629 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:10,667 And they all jumped this one guy who was asleep who they were after. 630 00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:13,248 And then he called me into the kitchen, this sergeant. 631 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,921 I'll never forget that guy, boy. 632 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:19,345 He called me into the kitchen and he said, "is there any -" 633 00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:20,922 he said, uh - 634 00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:26,060 he said, "let me see your arms.” he looked at my arms. He saw tracks. 635 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:27,808 He said, um - 636 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:30,436 now, this is the first time it ever happens to you. 637 00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:32,643 And the first time it happens to you, 638 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:35,900 it's just such not a believable reality. 639 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:37,527 He didn't say anything else to me. 640 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:39,845 He didn't question me. He didn't talk to me about anything. 641 00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:42,406 He just said, "you have the right to remain silent. 642 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:46,365 Anything you say may be..." He just started reading me my rights. 643 00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:51,203 I started to cry hysterically. 644 00:34:51,298 --> 00:34:55,587 And when I get hysterical, I have a thing in my nose, a bad vein, 645 00:34:55,677 --> 00:34:58,043 and I started to get a nosebleed that just wouldn't stop, 646 00:34:58,138 --> 00:35:00,379 and it started gushing down, and it was just - 647 00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:06,430 and it ended up, I was laying on my bed. 648 00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:10,059 One policeman had a cold cloth behind the back of my neck. 649 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:13,187 Another policeman had a tissue up my nose. 650 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,860 And another one was saying, "you're not going to jail. 651 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:18,404 Please stop crying." 652 00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:20,402 "Please stop crying. You're not going to jail." 653 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:23,906 I mean, how could they bring in all these heavy dope dealers with this kid? 654 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:30,163 "I don't know anything about any heroin. I don't know anything about - 655 00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:32,244 I don't know anything about it." 656 00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:34,796 They handcuff him, handcuff his girlfriend, 657 00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:37,090 take him out, I go downstairs, I lock the door. 658 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:38,713 I can see them down in the courtyard. 659 00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:40,964 They're packing their shotguns up in their cases. 660 00:35:41,056 --> 00:35:42,992 As they're packing their shotguns up in their cases, 661 00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:46,884 I'm breaking out the heroin out of the drawers. 662 00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:49,811 I was getting off before they were in the cars. 663 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:08,781 I used to cop from this guy, big. His name was big. 664 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:13,585 He was, uh - he was a four-foot negro. 665 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:15,082 His name was big. 666 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:18,336 He had two sh - uh, two toes shot off in Vietnam. 667 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:20,508 He shot them off himself so he could get out. 668 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:24,884 He was - he was a dealer. He was on 14th street. 669 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:26,965 And we used to go down there. 670 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:31,804 I used to go into, uh... this hallway 671 00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:35,106 that smelled from urine - guys would urinate in there. 672 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,338 Go up the flight of stairs, knock on the door. "Yeah, who's there?" 673 00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:38,977 "Steve." "Steve who?" 674 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:41,984 "Steve, your ass. Steve. Open the -" 675 00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:44,532 you'd go in, and it was a shooting gallery. 676 00:36:44,619 --> 00:36:47,986 You'd go and use his works, you'd buy the dope. 677 00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:49,446 - Oh, / see. - Right? 678 00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:53,033 Now, they had this couch in there. Couch was like this. 679 00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:55,915 Only the back was broken down 680 00:36:56,005 --> 00:37:00,590 and they had a, uh, blanket over it. 681 00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:04,461 And I come in one night, 682 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,673 and, uh, there's three guys ahead of me waiting to get off, 683 00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:09,678 there's a guy getting off at the table, 684 00:37:09,769 --> 00:37:12,602 and these three guys are standing up against the wall. 685 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:15,897 And, uh... 686 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,521 I see them standing there and I look, and, um... 687 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,522 I see the couch, and I sit down on the couch. 688 00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:25,152 Just sit down there. 689 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:30,033 And the second I sit down, all the eyes in the room snap on me. 690 00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:35,375 And, uh, big says, "hey. 691 00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:38,207 You remember Joey." 692 00:37:38,298 --> 00:37:41,085 I said, "yeah, sure. Yeah. I know Joey." 693 00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:44,009 "Well, you're sitting on him.” 694 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:47,087 I said, "oh. Oh, yeah?" 695 00:37:47,182 --> 00:37:48,888 The guy was dead. 696 00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,387 "Hmm. That's all right." 697 00:37:51,478 --> 00:37:56,063 And I just put the blanket down and got back on the end of the line. 698 00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:58,982 I mean, I wasn't gonna lose my place in line. 699 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:07,987 But out of that, you, uh - you know, a lot of close calls. 700 00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:13,538 Uh, I managed to get a lot of, um, medical supplies, 701 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,537 medical equipment that you didn't normally have. 702 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:18,539 Like, we had oxygen. 703 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:22,293 We had an electronic stethoscope that gave a tape readout 704 00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:24,294 so you could tell how many heartbeats. 705 00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:26,467 We had adrenalin shots. 706 00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,510 We had all kinds of stuff, 707 00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:31,886 the kind of shots to bring you through when you od. 708 00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:37,016 And this girl once od'd on us. 709 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,397 And she was out, man. 710 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:44,854 And it was myself and his - her boyfriend. 711 00:38:44,948 --> 00:38:49,533 And he said, uh - and her heartbeat was dropping down. 712 00:38:49,619 --> 00:38:52,611 And we got everything out, oxygen, and nothing was working. 713 00:38:52,705 --> 00:38:54,946 And he looked at me and says, 714 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:58,124 "well, you're gonna have to give her an adrenalin shot." 715 00:38:58,211 --> 00:39:00,668 I said, "what are you talking about?" 716 00:39:02,257 --> 00:39:04,714 I said, "you give it to her." He said, "I can't. 717 00:39:04,801 --> 00:39:07,417 It's like a doctor working on someone in his own family." 718 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:09,552 I said, "that's bullshit! You've known her two days. 719 00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,212 What the fuck is going on?" 720 00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:13,923 You know? And he said, "no, I can't do it." 721 00:39:14,018 --> 00:39:16,179 So we had the medical dictionary. 722 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:18,102 You know how you give an adrenalin shot? 723 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:20,771 Okay, the adrenalin needle's about that big, 724 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:23,100 and you've got to give it into the heart, 725 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:25,901 and you have to put it in in a stabbing motion 726 00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:28,355 and then plunge down on the thing. 727 00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:31,282 I got the medical dictionary out, looked it up, 728 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:35,533 got a magic marker, made a magic marker where her heart was, 729 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:40,868 measured down, like, two or three ribs and measured in between there. 730 00:39:40,962 --> 00:39:42,543 And I just stood there and I went - 731 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:45,417 and then... 732 00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:47,840 And she came back like that. 733 00:39:48,469 --> 00:39:51,176 She just came right back like that. 734 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:53,200 So, what about Neil? 735 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:56,011 What kind of relationship did you have with Neil? Neil diamond. 736 00:39:56,102 --> 00:40:00,061 When he found out that I was pretty heavily into heroin - 737 00:40:00,148 --> 00:40:04,642 which it took - he was, like, the last to know. 738 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:05,976 Uh... 739 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:12,024 Just because I kept it pretty cool from him. 740 00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:15,702 Some of the other people in the band knew, but he was, like, the last to know. 741 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:18,370 And he did it very, uh - 742 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:23,998 I was really, at that point, at the peak of being into dope, 743 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:25,419 at the peak of the high. 744 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:29,124 He came to me and said, "listen, I'll put you in a hospital. 745 00:40:29,218 --> 00:40:31,584 I'll take care of all your hospital bills. 746 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,261 And when you come out, I'll help you get started 747 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:36,089 in anything you want to do. 748 00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:39,259 Uh, would you consider doing that?" 749 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:42,390 And, uh, of course, I thought it over 750 00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:45,144 and made the really intelligent decision. 751 00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,395 "No." - 752 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:50,027 "no." 753 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,526 Then I worked for him for a couple of more months, 754 00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:54,448 and then he stopped performing. 755 00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:56,491 He went on a vacation. 756 00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:59,446 Did anybody talk to you about it or say anything? 757 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:03,203 Yeah, I spoke to him a couple of times about it. 758 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:07,879 Uh, I remember one time I spoke to you about it, Steven. 759 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:11,675 I was telling him, "what, are you crazy? 760 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,427 Are you out of your fucking mind? What the fuck are you doing? 761 00:41:15,515 --> 00:41:16,925 What are you doing? 762 00:41:17,767 --> 00:41:20,930 You want to kill yourself? Is that what you want to do? 763 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:22,556 You want to go out that way?" 764 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,065 And Steven says to me, "that's not a bad way to go. 765 00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:31,774 I mean, you just get higher and higher 766 00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:34,571 - and higher and higher." - And higher. 767 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,617 And higher and higher 768 00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:40,161 and higher and higher. 769 00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:43,330 "And you just fly away." Yeah. 770 00:41:43,418 --> 00:41:46,956 I really can't think of a - 771 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,792 I mean, there's no nice way to go. 772 00:41:51,801 --> 00:41:54,759 But if someone was to come up to me and say, 773 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:56,962 "sorry, you leave at 3:00," 774 00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:01,049 I'd say, "well, how about going out on smack?" 775 00:42:01,144 --> 00:42:02,179 Whew. 776 00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:09,766 The whole school closed down. No changeovers, everything. 777 00:42:09,861 --> 00:42:12,068 And everybody had to go home. Everybody had families. 778 00:42:12,155 --> 00:42:13,941 I had no place to go. 779 00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:16,114 And I wasn't about to go back to New York. 780 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:19,693 So, I had a friend who was working - 781 00:42:19,787 --> 00:42:23,371 uh, whose father had a brand-new gas station 782 00:42:23,458 --> 00:42:26,370 about ten miles outside of barstow. 783 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:29,289 And, uh, he said - 784 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,292 - outside of where? - Barstow. Barstow. 785 00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,965 And, uh, h-he said 786 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:38,796 that there's a guy there who's taking off for easter vacation. 787 00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:41,882 So if I wanted to make some extra money during easter vacation, 788 00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:45,935 I could take over that job, you know, working in a gas station. 789 00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,478 I figure it's a good idea. 790 00:42:48,483 --> 00:42:50,974 So I went out there and I went with the guy. 791 00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:55,278 And, uh, I worked in a gas station. 792 00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:57,275 Now, I worked alone 793 00:42:57,366 --> 00:43:01,075 from the hours of 10:00 at night 794 00:43:01,162 --> 00:43:03,778 until 2:00 in the morning. 795 00:43:03,873 --> 00:43:06,205 So my hours were 8:00 to 4:00. 796 00:43:06,292 --> 00:43:09,204 But there were other guys on during those times. 797 00:43:09,295 --> 00:43:14,005 But from 10:00 to 2:00 in the morning, I worked alone in this gas station. 798 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:15,332 And, uh... 799 00:43:16,928 --> 00:43:18,793 I'm in the gas station. 800 00:43:18,888 --> 00:43:21,504 I'm in this little office. 801 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,308 It's about, uh, that big, you know? 802 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:26,509 About that big around. 803 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:31,189 There's only room in there for the cash register and a chair. 804 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,687 And I'm sitting in the chair and I'm sleeping. 805 00:43:33,778 --> 00:43:36,815 I mean, I'm really - I'm 40 winks. I'm out. 806 00:43:37,824 --> 00:43:39,689 And I hear a noise. 807 00:43:40,827 --> 00:43:43,864 So I get awake, get up, get up out of the chair, 808 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:46,162 and I walk out onto the - 809 00:43:46,249 --> 00:43:48,490 there's a little stoop, you know? 810 00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,415 On - so you step down. 811 00:43:50,503 --> 00:43:55,042 And I looked out way at the other end of the gas station, 50 yards. 812 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:58,170 It's one of those big, huge, super-big gas stations. 813 00:43:58,261 --> 00:44:00,172 Fifty yards down there, we had these tire racks 814 00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:02,845 with the chains that went through the tire racks. 815 00:44:02,932 --> 00:44:06,015 Okay, there's an econoline Van down there. 816 00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:12,226 And this guy had these chain cutters, 817 00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:14,272 and he's cut the chains, 818 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,227 and he is packing this econoline Van 819 00:44:17,321 --> 00:44:20,609 with - with, uh, tires. 820 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:25,615 He had every inch of that Van that you could possibly imagine 821 00:44:25,705 --> 00:44:27,036 filled with tires. 822 00:44:27,123 --> 00:44:30,206 He had the last two tires that he was gonna put in. 823 00:44:30,293 --> 00:44:32,284 He was just about to put them in there. 824 00:44:32,378 --> 00:44:34,710 Then he would've closed the door and driven away. 825 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:39,587 Just as he's about to put them in, I go, "hey, you!" 826 00:44:40,428 --> 00:44:41,918 The guy turns around. 827 00:44:42,889 --> 00:44:45,756 He's half-Indian, he's half-Mexican. 828 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:49,513 He was zonked out of his mind on speed. 829 00:44:49,604 --> 00:44:52,311 He's got no t-shirt on. He's sweating. 830 00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:54,980 He's got a knife in here. 831 00:44:55,067 --> 00:44:58,355 It's about a 14-inch knife. 832 00:44:58,446 --> 00:45:00,858 Pulls the knife out from where he is. 833 00:45:00,948 --> 00:45:04,941 I'm standing there, rubbing the sand out of my eyes. 834 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:06,617 Pulls the knife out and goes - 835 00:45:08,206 --> 00:45:10,538 and starts running at me. 836 00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:13,578 Running at me, right? 837 00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:16,251 And I'm standing there and I'm looking at this man 838 00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:19,877 running across at top speed with this knife in his hand. 839 00:45:19,967 --> 00:45:24,131 And the only thought that came into my mind was, "wrong. 840 00:45:24,222 --> 00:45:27,464 This is definitely wrong." 841 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:32,393 And I walked in - I walked into the office - 842 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,890 walked into the office. 843 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,188 Uh, right behind the cash register, 844 00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:39,984 the owner kept a .44 Magnum. 845 00:45:40,071 --> 00:45:41,811 A six-shot. Right? 846 00:45:41,906 --> 00:45:44,443 I turned, I cocked it. 847 00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:49,243 Turned around, and the guy was just coming through the door. 848 00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:51,787 Just coming through the door - the doorway. 849 00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:55,116 And just as he was coming through the door, I fired. 850 00:45:56,379 --> 00:45:59,291 And I hit him right in the chest. 851 00:45:59,382 --> 00:46:03,842 And as fast as he came in that door, he went out. Okay? 852 00:46:03,928 --> 00:46:06,761 I blew him out past into the pumps. 853 00:46:06,847 --> 00:46:09,054 I blew him between ethyl and regular. 854 00:46:09,141 --> 00:46:11,052 Seriously, he was out there - 855 00:46:11,143 --> 00:46:13,384 he was out there slumped between ethyl and regular. 856 00:46:13,479 --> 00:46:16,596 Now, the guy must've been - 'cause he had the knife out, 857 00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:22,311 and the blood was just down the front of him like this. 858 00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:25,238 And there was a hole in his chest you could've driven a truck through. 859 00:46:25,324 --> 00:46:27,280 But he was on speed or something, 860 00:46:27,368 --> 00:46:30,781 because he, uh, made, like, 861 00:46:30,871 --> 00:46:33,988 a last nervous move up off the pumps 862 00:46:34,083 --> 00:46:35,994 to come at me like that. 863 00:46:36,085 --> 00:46:38,872 At which point I just took the revolver 864 00:46:38,963 --> 00:46:41,500 and emptied it in him, 865 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:43,546 blowing him out of the gas station. 866 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:44,999 Wow. 867 00:46:45,094 --> 00:46:47,335 Six shots with a .44 Magnum. 868 00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:50,297 Then I went on the phone and I called the highway patrol 869 00:46:50,391 --> 00:46:52,507 and I told them I'd just killed a man. 870 00:46:52,601 --> 00:46:55,513 And I hung up. And I said where, and I hung up. 871 00:46:55,604 --> 00:46:58,186 And then I went and sat down in the little chair 872 00:46:58,274 --> 00:47:00,765 in front of the gas station. 873 00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:05,820 And in the desert, before you could hear the sirens, 874 00:47:05,906 --> 00:47:08,022 you could see the lights. 875 00:47:08,117 --> 00:47:11,405 Red flashing lights, blue flashing lights, 876 00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:14,783 green flashing lights, helicopters flashing up. 877 00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,911 And they came and - riot squad came in. 878 00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:22,336 And I was still sitting out on the porch with the gun in my hand. 879 00:47:22,423 --> 00:47:26,336 Some sergeant came up. He had the gun on me at all times, his gun on me. 880 00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:29,339 But I was just sitting there in shock. I was completely in shock. 881 00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:32,137 He took the gun out of my hand and they took me to the hospital. 882 00:47:32,892 --> 00:47:37,352 And then I had to be, uh, examined 883 00:47:37,438 --> 00:47:40,054 by three psychiatrists 884 00:47:40,149 --> 00:47:42,481 for the coroner's inquest. 885 00:47:42,568 --> 00:47:44,024 The guy was wanted. 886 00:47:44,111 --> 00:47:46,818 He was, uh, escaped 887 00:47:46,906 --> 00:47:49,773 from some, you know, detention camp or something. 888 00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,904 He was a rapist, a known rapist. 889 00:47:52,995 --> 00:47:56,158 Uh, not important, but, uh... 890 00:47:57,083 --> 00:47:58,619 At any rate, 891 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:02,952 they, uh, made me go through three days of examinations. 892 00:48:03,047 --> 00:48:07,837 And the main question on their minds was, 893 00:48:07,927 --> 00:48:11,169 why did I shoot the man six times? 894 00:48:11,263 --> 00:48:15,723 Because obviously the one shot killed the sucker. 895 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:18,017 And I said, "il didn't -" which I didn't. 896 00:48:18,104 --> 00:48:22,063 I did not remember the other five shots. 897 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:26,233 'Cause I blew him 25 yards outside - out of the, uh - 898 00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:30,358 right out of the - right out of the station. 899 00:48:30,449 --> 00:48:31,529 Yeah. 900 00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:35,193 Yeah, it was - 901 00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:37,994 what a wonderful way to spend my easter vacation. 902 00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:42,451 Did you ever think about why you shot him six times? 903 00:48:43,421 --> 00:48:46,458 Yeah. Because, I mean, I had - 904 00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:51,213 the experience of just shooting him that one time, 905 00:48:51,303 --> 00:48:54,670 I mean, every - just shooting a man - 906 00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:59,259 I mean, the experience of doing that and seeing him standing there, bleeding, 907 00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:03,141 I mean, I was completely intense. 908 00:49:03,232 --> 00:49:04,938 Anxiety. I was shaking. 909 00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:09,519 And then he got up like he was gonna move towards me. 910 00:49:09,613 --> 00:49:13,822 And, um, my father always taught me, 911 00:49:13,909 --> 00:49:15,615 never aim a gun at anybody. 912 00:49:16,412 --> 00:49:18,778 Never, ever aim a gun at anybody 913 00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:20,989 unless you're gonna shoot them. 914 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:23,745 And if you're gonna shoot them, kill them. 915 00:49:23,836 --> 00:49:26,022 Would you mind pointing that gun in another direction? 916 00:49:26,046 --> 00:49:28,753 Don't ever let - don't ever let him get up again. 917 00:49:29,508 --> 00:49:31,794 If he gets up, he's gonna kill you. And he got up. 918 00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:36,175 What'd you really think when he was coming at you, though? 919 00:49:36,265 --> 00:49:37,801 When he was coming at me? Yeah. 920 00:49:37,892 --> 00:49:41,100 Before I squeezed the trigger, when he was coming through the door, 921 00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:45,100 I could see the sweat off of him and I could see his eyes. 922 00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:47,898 And his eyes were just glass. 923 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,725 I mean, yeah, I'll never - 924 00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:55,281 I'll never, ever forget the expression of that guy's eyes. 925 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:56,652 - Whew. - It was just - 926 00:49:56,744 --> 00:50:01,283 I mean, he had written all over him, "I'm going to hurt you." 927 00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:03,453 While holding the knife. 928 00:50:03,501 --> 00:50:07,665 "I'm going to cut you up six ways from Sunday and mail you." 929 00:50:07,755 --> 00:50:08,961 Jesus. 930 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,877 I mean, that was strictly - you know, that's when - 931 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:17,086 that's when reaction has to take over, 932 00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:20,218 when survival has to take over. 933 00:50:21,602 --> 00:50:24,435 You've gotta - at that point, you have to make that decision. 934 00:50:26,315 --> 00:50:28,772 So that was my easter vacation. 935 00:50:38,619 --> 00:50:41,702 So, what's the relationship now with, uh, family life? 936 00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:44,280 Your parents, your wife, that sort of thing? 937 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,491 My -_- - before this cuts off. 938 00:50:46,585 --> 00:50:49,292 Uh, yeah. Well, uh... 939 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:55,083 My - my position with my family is - 940 00:50:55,177 --> 00:50:57,042 like, my father, uh - 941 00:50:57,846 --> 00:51:00,633 I was speaking to my father just the other day. 942 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:01,930 And, uh... 943 00:51:03,561 --> 00:51:05,802 He, uh - 944 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:10,105 I could tell him - he always knows that I'm a survivor, you know? 945 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:11,602 I'll get through anything. 946 00:51:11,694 --> 00:51:15,937 He knows that I can hack it doing just about anything. 947 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:17,942 So he's not worried about that. 948 00:51:18,033 --> 00:51:22,743 But he asked me if I was enjoying what I was doing. 949 00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:25,913 And I said, "yeah, I am enjoying what I'm doing." 950 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,370 And he said, "that's good." 951 00:51:29,461 --> 00:51:33,374 I told him that I finally thought that I'm doing something now 952 00:51:33,465 --> 00:51:37,299 that I've worked up to doing - wanting to do. 953 00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:41,550 Well, okay. Uh... Could we cut one second, Mike? 954 00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:45,724 I want to ask you about your father again 955 00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:47,767 and the last telephone call you had with him. 956 00:51:47,855 --> 00:51:50,709 'Cause it seemed very matter-of-fact. You seemed a little too objective to me. 957 00:51:50,733 --> 00:51:52,769 I don't know. It just seemed - 958 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,943 you know, 'cause when you talked to me on the plane, there was a little more - 959 00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:58,817 a little more, uh, sincerity to it. 960 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:03,526 I don't know. It kinda was just - it just seemed thrown away this time. 961 00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:05,724 'Cause I don't quite understand. Was that the whole conversation? 962 00:52:05,748 --> 00:52:07,033 No. 963 00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:10,116 Your relationship with your parents is what? Your father is always - 964 00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:13,202 all right. I see what you - all right, yeah. 965 00:52:13,297 --> 00:52:16,539 - Explain a little more about - - Right, right, right, right. 966 00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:18,625 Yeah. 967 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,381 - So, about your parents. - Uh - 968 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,838 - their reaction to now. - Their reaction to now. 969 00:52:23,932 --> 00:52:29,177 My mother's reaction to now is that I'm out here, I'm in Hollywood, 970 00:52:29,271 --> 00:52:31,933 and I'm making movies, and that's great for her. 971 00:52:32,024 --> 00:52:36,893 My father's reaction is - my father's dying of, uh, heart - 972 00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:41,230 he's got a fatal heart disease, and he's dying. 973 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:44,863 And I have a very hard time talking to him on the phone. 974 00:52:44,953 --> 00:52:47,740 And he said to me... 975 00:52:49,124 --> 00:52:50,955 "Ll know that you're a survivor 976 00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:55,707 and that you can do good in whatever you do. 977 00:52:55,798 --> 00:52:58,130 But are you having fun?" 978 00:52:58,217 --> 00:53:00,959 And I said, "yeah. I'm enjoying what I'm doing. 979 00:53:01,053 --> 00:53:03,089 I really like doing what I'm doing." 980 00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:08,594 He said, "are you happy?" 981 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:09,766 Yeah, he said "happy." 982 00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:11,414 No, you said, "are you having fun?” 983 00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:14,459 Let's try it that way. That was perfect. I just want to get it down the other way. 984 00:53:14,483 --> 00:53:16,644 - "But are you happy?" That's all. - The same way? 985 00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:18,316 - Yeah. - Okay. 986 00:53:18,404 --> 00:53:20,364 So you spoke to him on the phone. What did he say? 987 00:53:20,406 --> 00:53:22,192 He said, uh - 988 00:53:23,158 --> 00:53:24,694 okay, hold it a second. 989 00:53:27,788 --> 00:53:31,076 So, your parents' reactions now. Your father? 990 00:53:32,459 --> 00:53:34,791 My mother's reaction is that she's very happy 991 00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:36,664 at what I'm doing here. 992 00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:39,167 And my father's reaction is - 993 00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:44,385 he's - he's dying of heart disease. 994 00:53:44,471 --> 00:53:47,713 And I have a hard time relating with him sometimes. 995 00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:50,925 And he called me on the phone and he asked me - 996 00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:55,058 well, he said to me, "I know you're a survivor 997 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:58,812 and I know you can do well in whatever you do. 998 00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:00,688 But are you happy?" 999 00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:05,189 And I told him, yeah, I was happy. 1000 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:20,583 J thirteen junkies too weak to work & 1001 00:54:21,633 --> 00:54:26,468 jd one sells diamonds for what they're worth & 1002 00:54:26,555 --> 00:54:28,967 & down on pain street & 1003 00:54:29,057 --> 00:54:32,470 j disappointment lurks j 1004 00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:36,933 j; Son, don't be home too late & 1005 00:54:37,024 --> 00:54:38,514 jd no, no, no j 1006 00:54:38,609 --> 00:54:41,851 j try to get back by eight & 1007 00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:43,435 j eight & 1008 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:47,819 j son, don't wait till the break of day & 1009 00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:51,528 j 'cause you know how time fades away & 1010 00:54:51,622 --> 00:54:53,158 j time fades away j 1011 00:54:53,248 --> 00:54:56,706 j you know how time fades away &