1 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,921 - Happy anniversary! - Oh... 2 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,169 - Thank you very much. - Happy anniversary, Mum. 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,645 Happy anniversary, Dad. 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,683 Oh, that's lovely! 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,123 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,811 - They helped me choose it. Didn't you? - Just a little bit. 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,888 - Thank you. - Thank you. 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,206 Ah-ha! 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,970 I've always wanted... 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,249 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,771 and you press it too hard. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,041 Do you think I'm stressed? 13 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,403 - Mm, maybe... - And I thought! was hiding it. 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,927 - Maybe a little bit. - Keep out of it. 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,249 - The card's from all three of us. - Thank you very much. 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,562 - We're behind you. - Thank you. 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,603 - Happy anniversary. - Mm-hm. 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,530 That helps me a lot, VII tel! you. 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,929 We have statements from prostitutes 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,328 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,363 We have the guy he shared a cell with 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,324 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,521 Ifs all there. 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,802 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,763 Now, we know about two. 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,564 Who's out there looking for the other six? 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,604 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,845 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 29 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,849 Before the end of the year. 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,885 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,884 ...limbo. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,889 No case, no team. 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,804 The knives are out for me, too. 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,287 - What? - Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,402 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,851 He thought I'd resign. 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,121 I refused to. 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,131 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,730 It's a joke. 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,366 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,841 I'm going to have this outwith them. 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,564 Steve, don't. Steve... 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,848 - Pat, can I have a quick word? - Steve... 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,850 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, but it's not fair to... 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,281 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,289 - I had it on charge. - Mike Veale wants to see you. 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,640 OK. 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,410 I'll tell him you're on your way. 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,361 - 25 years Halliwell got. - That's Karen. 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,121 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,244 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,850 Fulcher broke the law. 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,291 You know that. 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,404 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,763 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,291 - I'll sign. - Oh, thank you. 57 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,811 Thank you very much. 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,326 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 59 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,169 That's... That's me at the top. 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,411 Thank you. 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,651 25 years... 62 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,728 ...Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,483 (He knocks) Mike wanted to see me? 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,682 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 65 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,884 (Knock on door) 66 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,970 (He clears his throat) 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,923 Mike will see you now. 68 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,371 Thank you. 69 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,723 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 70 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,807 (Door closes) 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,127 - Mike. Kier. - Steve. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,684 I asked DOS Pritchard to be here this morning to make a note of everything. 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,411 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,806 with immediate effect. 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,968 It's been brought to my attention 76 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,731 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,763 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,042 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 79 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,925 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 80 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,004 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that evening 81 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,010 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 82 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,248 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 83 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,601 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 84 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,803 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 85 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,843 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 86 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,961 Mm-hm. 87 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,167 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough to warrant immediate suspension. 88 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,011 - Do you have anything to saw - No, I don't. 89 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:39,011 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,887 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 91 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,570 who's waiting for you outside. 92 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,763 He'll accompany you to your house to recover any force documents or properly. 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,962 Do you understand what I've said to you? 94 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,286 I do. 95 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,687 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 96 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,881 I don't. 97 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,330 Fine. That's everything. 98 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,324 Er, I'll take the phone. 99 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,920 - Can I at least call my wife? - I'm afraid not. 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,128 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 101 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,531 Are you coming in? 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Oh, ifs Steve. 103 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,089 Maughan and Ned are here. 104 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,771 - Er, where's the laptop, please? - What's going on? 105 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,486 Ifs in the kitchen on the dining table. 106 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,046 - Would you accompany me in there, please? - Steve...? 107 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,810 - I've been suspended. - What?! 108 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,809 My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 109 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:40,961 I'm sorry. 110 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:45,805 Hi, folks. Hello. 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,160 - Hi, Steve. - Hello. 112 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,129 - Is this it? - Yes. 113 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,561 - Everything all right? - Yes, it's a work thing. 114 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,244 Last Wednesday, we had a free period 115 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,931 and she was going round all of the toilets in the school 116 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,567 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, and then slid back out again 117 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,524 so that all the doors, all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 118 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,210 - How stupid. - Mm, goodness. 119 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,288 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 120 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,767 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 121 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,884 - It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. - Just because she's your friend. 122 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,651 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 123 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,762 - Oh, yeah. - You know, the really bitchy one. 124 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,928 - She's not really bitchy. - Yes, she is. 125 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,168 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 126 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,211 Don't worry. 127 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,410 Er, would you like to come through? 128 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,726 Thank you. 129 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,129 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 130 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,244 The IPCC is an independent body 131 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,410 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 132 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,241 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 133 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,682 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 134 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,723 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 135 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,922 Against Steve Fulchel'? 136 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,044 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 137 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,609 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name to the complaint against him. 138 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,647 Who's made this complaint? 139 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,967 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 140 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,128 Y°lffe joking! JOhH?! 141 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,810 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,365 Have you met John Godden? 143 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:38,401 All complaints about the police must be dealt with without prejudice. 144 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,763 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 145 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,201 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 146 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,167 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure to apply the rules of PACE 147 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,887 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 148 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,287 and prevented justice for his daughter. 149 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,722 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 150 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,808 So, how does he work that one out'? 151 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,002 So, you don't agree with your ex-husbands view 152 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,805 about Chief Superintendent Fulchefs conduct'? 153 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,524 No. We bloody don't. 154 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,961 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 155 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,491 No, I bloody well don't! 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,170 We've got to help him, Charlie. 157 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,203 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 158 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,085 You know, I'm sure it suits them to make out he's the one that messed up. 159 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,850 You know, "It's not us, ifs him." 160 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,247 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 161 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,691 So, they're after Steve's blood. 162 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,802 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 163 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,968 - How do you work that one out? - Come on, love, get in. 164 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,080 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 165 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,529 Ifs only a bloody can of Coke. 166 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,369 He just had to ask first. 167 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,087 And I have told him that time and time again. 168 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,083 He has no male role model in his life. 169 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,170 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 170 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,841 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 171 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,122 Let me in, Elaine. 172 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,366 I want to help. 173 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,050 (Doorbell rings) 174 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,088 - (Door opens) - Lauren! 175 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,090 - I was just passing. - Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 176 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,486 Come in. 177 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,128 - Are you going to come and say hello? - I'm all right in here. 178 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,281 Elaine... This is my daughter. 179 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,244 - We don't get on, Pete. - Yeah, I know. 180 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,169 But can't you just be the bigger person? 181 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,483 Come on, love, let's go through. 182 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,970 (Telephone rings) 183 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,731 Hello? 184 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,525 Of course. 185 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,483 OK, he's ready to see you now. 186 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,125 Thank you very much. 187 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,129 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 188 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,480 - Charlie. - Please... 189 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,443 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 190 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:15,483 - Not at all. - I know you must be very busy. 191 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,682 - You've got all the documents I sent you. - Mm. 192 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,245 I feel very passionate about this. 193 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,727 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 194 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,650 Notjust so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 195 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,411 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 196 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,568 that he should be facing losing his career over this 197 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,160 - when all he did was try to save... - Karen, not all at once. 198 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,964 You're bombarding the man. 199 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,724 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 200 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,524 ...I find it hard to stop. 201 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,367 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 202 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,450 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 203 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:47,846 I agree. 204 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,810 You agree? 205 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,365 Yes. 206 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,131 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 207 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,730 So... 208 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,251 ...can you help us? 209 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,283 You've started a petition? 210 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,324 Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures so far. 211 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,966 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 212 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,402 If I'm to lobby the Government, the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 213 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,921 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 214 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,485 whenever you get the chance. 215 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:16,887 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 216 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,765 the likelihood increases that the Government 217 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,281 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 218 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,050 Oh, right. 219 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,801 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, and make people aware of PACE'S limitations. 220 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,571 But to answer your question simply, then... 221 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,126 ...yes, I'd like to try and help you. 222 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,563 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 223 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,884 _ Hey. ' Hi! 224 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,570 Hi, how are you doing? 225 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,531 Nice to see you. 226 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,210 Can I get you a drink? 227 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,970 - Erm, red wine. - Mm-hm. 228 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,161 Thank you. 229 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,521 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 230 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,290 for a criminal prosecution against you. 231 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,004 Criminal? What for'? 232 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,406 Malfeasance in a public office. 233 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,090 Malfeasance?! 234 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,170 - They want to put him in prison now? - Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,169 Trying to find Sian alive 236 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,931 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 237 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,964 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 238 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,367 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 239 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,926 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 240 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,520 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 241 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,689 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 242 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,326 - Seems they want to get you for something. - I'm going to the loo. 243 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,885 I may well throw up. 244 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,807 This is driving her mad. 245 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,805 She wants me to resign. 246 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,963 And do what'? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 247 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,764 Please, don'tjump yet, Steve. 248 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,362 At least wait until you see a lawyer about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 249 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,370 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 250 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,050 - once they hear the evidence. - Mm-hm. 251 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,640 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 252 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,330 But you mustn't give in. 253 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,291 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 254 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,244 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 255 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,089 (Chuckling) 256 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,521 But I am a mother who has lost a daughter. 257 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,331 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 258 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,689 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 259 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,646 My daughter had her problems. 260 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,888 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 261 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,642 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 262 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,728 who's had their life snatched away from them. 263 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,008 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 264 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,966 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 265 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,889 of suspects by police officers. 266 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,886 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 267 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,890 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 268 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,843 Which I understand. 269 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,602 But what Steve Fulcher faced were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 270 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,724 And I feel there should be more flexibility 271 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,083 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 272 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,969 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer what we have been through as a family. 273 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Thank you. Thank you very much. 274 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,564 - I love you. - I love you, too. 275 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,647 See you soon. 276 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,367 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 277 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,209 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 278 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,970 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 279 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,048 This is my husband Charlie. 280 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,367 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 281 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,482 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 282 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,921 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 283 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,441 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 284 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,050 after all Steve has done for us, 285 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,969 I could have wrung his neck. 286 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,367 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 287 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,767 - I'm not allowed to stay in here. - Oh, that's ridiculous. 288 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,928 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 289 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,087 Thanks. 290 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,286 Good morning, everyone. 291 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,449 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 292 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,324 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 293 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,363 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 294 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,608 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 295 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,007 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 296 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,281 Thank you. 297 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,801 - The gentleman at the back? - Er... 298 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,888 My name is John Godden. 299 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,207 Father of Rebecca Godden. 300 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,291 David Godden, John's brother. 301 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,288 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 302 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,131 Could you just hang on a minute, cos l...? 303 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,571 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 304 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,401 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 305 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,761 So, we're going to... Come on, Charlie. 306 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,451 Thank you. 307 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,483 Thank you. Carry on. 308 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:11,920 The first allegation concerns a complaint brought against you by Mr Godden. 309 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,410 It is alleged that your behaviour, when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 310 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,444 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 311 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,847 required of an officer of your standing. 312 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,563 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 313 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,569 I deny the allegation. 314 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,091 Allegation two. 315 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,443 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 316 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,564 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 317 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,889 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 318 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,207 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 319 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,765 I deny the allegation. 320 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,850 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 321 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,406 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 322 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,726 Yes. 323 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,764 Yet, you did not caution Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 324 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,006 Now, why not? 325 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,361 Because I felt it was disingenuous 326 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,042 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 327 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,685 "You don't have to say anything." 328 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,964 I felt his right to silence directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 329 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,762 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, "Do you want another one?" 330 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,769 Now, what did you understand this to mean? 331 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,884 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 332 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,607 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 333 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,371 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 334 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,528 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 335 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,008 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment," and that would've been that. 336 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:34,442 Not necessarily. He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 337 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,449 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 338 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,562 That's the difference between theory and practice. 339 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,921 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 340 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,644 Not once, in my whole career. 341 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,366 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 342 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,643 then everything that followed would have remained admissible in evidence. 343 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,730 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 344 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,490 I don't believe it was, no. 345 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,129 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 346 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,767 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 347 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:20,567 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 348 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,604 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 349 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,121 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 350 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,925 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 351 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,284 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 352 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:40,409 "I think the decision Steve made was, to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 353 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,969 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision in the same circumstances." 354 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,721 Well, that was when he was still hoping that Sian might be found alive. 355 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,285 We all were. 356 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,050 But I disagree with his judgment 357 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,323 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 358 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,161 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 359 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,089 would have become paramount 360 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,010 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 361 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:07,930 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 362 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,487 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 363 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,968 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 364 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,923 he could not have been thinking clearly. 365 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,441 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 366 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,166 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 367 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,727 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 368 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,081 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 369 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,522 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 370 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,847 And that, whatever else this case is about, 371 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,409 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 372 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,091 He is a very competent officer, yes. 373 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,601 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 374 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,802 to give off-the-record media briefings, 375 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,129 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 376 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,483 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 377 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,171 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 378 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,611 That is correct, yes. 379 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,564 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 380 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,527 You record 16 points relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 381 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,086 But the one thing you haven't recorded 382 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,727 is any mention of Steve Fulcher being told not to speak to the media. 383 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,482 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order at the end of the conversation. 384 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,371 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 385 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,168 But surely, Mr Geenty's order would've been the most important part of that conversation, 386 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,568 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 387 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,160 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 388 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,409 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded that part of the conversation. 389 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,648 But I can assure you that it did happen. 390 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,041 Is this actually misconduct at all? 391 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,323 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 392 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,286 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher gave to the media, 393 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,562 might not many members of the public say, 394 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,481 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 395 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,489 "to deal with such matters? 396 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,490 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 397 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,171 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 398 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,930 Thank you, Mr Beggs. 399 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,010 Are there any questions from Rebecca's family members present today? 400 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,090 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how ifs gone. 401 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,290 - Mrs Edwards? - I agree with Mr Beggs. 402 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,927 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 403 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,644 Thank you, both. 404 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,240 Well, we shall now retire to consider ourjudgment. 405 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,840 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 406 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,042 when this hearing will reconvene. 407 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,400 Thank you. 408 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,569 MAN: Come on, you reds! 409 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,761 My sister got in a cab with him. 410 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,689 - With Halliwell? - Yeah. 411 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,202 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 412 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,051 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 413 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,970 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 414 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,731 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 415 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,888 And he pulls over and lets her out. 416 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,968 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 417 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,605 She doesn't know how lucky she is. 418 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,290 Yeah, that's what my mum says. 419 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,568 All right, thank you. Thank you. 420 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,921 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 421 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,486 See if you had any worries or questions. 422 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,001 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 423 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,844 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 424 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,371 She's got a petition going. 425 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,569 I'm aware of it, yeah. 426 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,127 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 427 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,244 ...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 428 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,646 misguided. 429 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,684 Our position is that Fuicher shouldn't have breached PACE. 430 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,203 Yeah, that's how we feel. 431 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,648 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 432 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,444 That's good to know. 433 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,568 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 434 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,967 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 435 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,082 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 436 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,806 After she got in the car with him... 437 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,764 ...I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 438 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,405 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 439 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,891 Em... 440 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,051 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 441 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,730 Or at least... 442 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,604 ...one that we could challenge. 443 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,042 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 444 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,491 Was she frightened? 445 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,041 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 446 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,448 Within a few minutes of setting off. 447 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,688 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 448 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,480 Em... 449 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,404 I don't know if I believe him. 450 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,246 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 451 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,203 They were tight-fitting. 452 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,529 When did they come off'? Did...? 453 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,449 Did he start to undress her'? 454 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,244 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 455 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,644 Different scenarios and... 456 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,208 ...I just see her face, Pete. 457 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,284 Terrified. 458 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,811 Come here... 459 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,206 Rs OK. 460 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Come here. 461 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,086 Shh... 462 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,925 (He sighs) 463 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,723 I want to look after you, Elaine. 464 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,367 I'm here for you, all right? 465 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,560 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 466 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,403 Why don't you pack it in at world 467 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,644 You hate that fucking job. 468 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,530 I can support you. 469 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,486 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 470 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,406 Mm. 471 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,966 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 472 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,041 - Why don't you have a shower? - (He scoffs) 473 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,487 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 474 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,886 The girls are out tonight. 475 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,082 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 476 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Do I smell, Yvonne? 477 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,210 - What? - Or do I stink? 478 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,890 Can you smell me from there? 479 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,968 I don't know what you're talking about. 480 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,570 Oh, obfuscation. 481 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,489 I can tell from your answer, 482 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,489 or, more accurately, your... 483 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,285 ...lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 484 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,845 ...no need for me to shower. 485 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,610 Is this you being funny? 486 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,084 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county without getting permission from them. 487 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,565 - You're joking? - It's true. 488 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,206 I have to askthem if I can leave Wiltshire. 489 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,411 Well... 490 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,687 OK. 491 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,010 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 492 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,681 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 493 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,167 without anyone knowing where she was. 494 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,760 But he has been hounded from pillar to posk 495 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,167 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 496 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,930 has never faced justice for what he did. 497 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,044 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 498 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,525 to change the PACE law. 499 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,769 So, pf ease, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 500 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,291 Not ideal. 501 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,482 What, are you worried about a backlash 502 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,843 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 503 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,328 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 504 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,205 - It's not great, from a PR point of view. - No. 505 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,688 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 506 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,564 Yeah. 507 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,648 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 508 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,205 ...controlling. 509 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,526 But... 510 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,210 ...he can be so sweet. 511 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,211 He's picked me up when I was down. 512 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,641 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 513 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,809 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked out. I will give him that. 514 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,689 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, things happen and I wonder if he is. 515 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,325 We've had another row 516 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,001 because he says Aiden took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 517 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,009 Really? A can of Coke? 518 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,565 That's the, er... 519 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,206 ...the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 520 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,450 She asked to meet me, Karen. 521 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,289 - What did you say? - No. 522 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,367 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 523 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,889 I can't really explain it. 524 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,288 We have come across so many people who have given us information on Halliwell. 525 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,529 People who say they got into his taxi with him and had scary experiences. 526 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,450 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 527 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,291 People who can link him to two girls who have gone missing. 528 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,925 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 529 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,930 People say they know someone who knew him 530 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,931 or people who've heard something about him and not seen it for themselves. 531 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,202 Nothing that would stand up in court. 532 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,843 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective and criticising Wiitshire Police in the media 533 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,531 - is not helping things. - It's not all critical. 534 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,962 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 535 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,003 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 536 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,451 We're all in this together. 537 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,643 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 538 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,728 and she was saying the same thing. 539 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,365 It's a team effort. 540 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,927 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 541 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,088 - I did. - And what did she say? 542 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,211 Er... 543 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,369 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 544 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,803 Well, my door is always open. 545 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,969 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 546 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,481 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 547 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,841 of being consumed by a single thought, 548 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,567 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 549 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,008 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 550 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,851 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 551 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,048 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 552 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,368 I find it very peaceful. 553 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,891 And that's good. 554 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,571 Yeah. 555 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,331 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 556 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,044 Out in the woods. 557 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,248 It was like my own private... 558 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,408 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 559 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,885 Yeah. 560 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,085 I used to love going there. 561 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,850 My special place. 562 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,970 (Door closes) 563 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,803 The panel feels that the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 564 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,720 without caution or without any of the other safeguards afforded him by PACE, 565 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,605 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 566 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,484 cannot be justified. 567 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,604 At such time as it became apparent that Sian 0'Callaghan was dead, 568 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,691 you should have stopped the car, turned it around and taken Halliwell into custody. 569 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,170 And the panel has a wider duty to perform in respect to public confidence, 570 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,851 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 571 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,770 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 572 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,690 without being held fully to account. 573 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,690 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 574 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,971 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, on the balance of probability, 575 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,607 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 576 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,484 to not give interviews to the media. 577 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,046 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 578 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,288 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 579 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,288 These breaches would justify dismissal. 580 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,449 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 581 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,646 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction is a final written warning. 582 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,090 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 583 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,124 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 584 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,730 It's not right what Fufcher did! 585 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,571 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 586 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,921 I've been mentally scarred by this. 587 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,050 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder cos you'll get away with it. 588 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,523 I will never trust the police again. 589 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,846 Never. 590 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,207 I can start back as soon as possible. 591 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,084 And you're actually going to? 592 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,248 Well, what else am I going to do? 593 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,089 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 594 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,442 It's all I know, Yvonne! 595 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,131 - And lam fucking good at it! - Good for you, Steve! 596 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,844 Fuck everyone else! 597 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,522 We're very pf eased to have you here, Steve. 598 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,607 Thank you. 599 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,722 - You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? - Er, yes. 600 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,330 Yes, I liked Ray. 601 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,681 I met him many times in meetings. 602 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,009 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 603 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,690 Here we are. 604 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,327 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 605 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,488 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 606 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,807 - Mm-hm. - You're obviously a bit overqualified... 607 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,649 What exactly is Bobby Van? 608 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,243 It's a local initiative to get a van out to burglary and criminal damage victims 609 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,125 to get their windows and doors and suchlike fixed up. 610 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:02,969 Mm-hm. Right. 611 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,650 Well, I'll... 612 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,285 I'll leave you to it. 613 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,368 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 614 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,970 - Thank you. - OK. 615 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,011 (Reporters shout questions) 616 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,363 This is about justice for Becky. 617 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,761 And justice for a brave police officer, 618 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,327 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 619 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,206 And over 40,000 people have signed our petition, 620 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,164 and with the help of our local MP 621 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,490 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand for a change in the law 622 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,080 directly to Mr Cameron. 623 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,250 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 624 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,364 Wit! my Right Honourable friend join our cause 625 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,644 for a thorough review of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 626 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,049 so that terrible situations like this wit! not happen again? 627 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,130 I will look very carefufly at what my honourable friend has raised 628 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,561 and the specific case that he mentions, 629 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,002 and look also at this issue of the Police And Criminai Evidence Ad. 630 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,762 It is atvvays important that all information that possibly can be put in front of a court 631 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,089 is put in front of (he court so the court can reach the correct, er... 632 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,690 “the correct decision. 633 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,362 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 634 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,280 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 635 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,402 or feel good inside. 636 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,648 Its not betraying Sian to feel like that. 637 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,248 Me and Pete have decided... 638 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,089 ...that we make each other happy. 639 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,123 So, we're going to get married. 640 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,163 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, so you can tell me how you feel about it. 641 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,366 If it's what you want. 642 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,562 - Mm. - I'm happy for you. 643 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,803 Aiden? 644 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,002 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 645 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,769 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 646 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,723 (Electric toothbrush whirs) 647 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,364 (He turns off the toothbrush) 648 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,801 (He swills and spits) 649 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,884 I've had enough, Steve. 650 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,411 I can't take any more. 651 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,891 (He clears his throat) 652 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,369 - OK, if I retire early... - Mm-hm. 653 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,091 ...my pension will be cut. 654 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,720 - We wouldn't have enough to live on. - I don't care. 655 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,120 Good to see you. 656 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,004 So, this is where we are. Erm... 657 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,163 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 658 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,601 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 659 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:44,960 Excellent. 660 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,448 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 661 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,121 And he passed it on to ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. 662 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,366 Right. 663 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,882 And they asked for comments from the relevant police sen/ice, Wiltshire. 664 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,446 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 665 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,483 for no action required. 666 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,928 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 667 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,203 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 668 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,288 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 669 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,768 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 670 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,804 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 671 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,410 Ymvew sorry 672 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,280 The pond itself. 673 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,131 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 674 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,402 - That's quite a lot there. - It is. 675 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,090 What are we up to now? 676 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,691 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 677 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,361 We're going to have another scan of the pond and see if we can pull anything else out. 678 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,403 - We might have missed one or two things. - Sir! 679 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,720 Yeah. 680 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,126 OK. Excellent. 681 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,969 I think that might be Sian's boot. 682 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,524 It was nice of you to some round. 683 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,564 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 684 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,241 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was about what happened to Ray. 685 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,569 Well, it's not been easy for me, 686 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,129 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 687 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:26,207 Thanks. 688 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,802 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 689 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,407 ...from my point of view, he was a good friend. 690 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,769 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 691 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,090 It's not worth it, Steve. 692 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,050 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 693 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,444 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 694 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,404 ...it wasn't more important than his children... 695 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,443 ...than his life. 696 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,883 (Phone rings) 697 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,891 Debs? 698 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,889 Are you watching the local news? 699 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,681 I mink the timing 's a bit too convenient. 700 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,564 Where was it? 701 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,331 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 702 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,286 I think this has come from some information passed on by Halliwel/is probation officer. 703 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,244 "the boot in the water which we have recovered. 704 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,840 So, you were walking along the lane and“? 705 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:22,206 Scoping (he ponds as to which I thought would be most likely to deposit property. 706 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,765 Why now? 707 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,565 They've done nothing over the fast 18 months and then suddenly, 708 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,170 "Look what a great job we're doing.“ 709 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,523 I reckon they're worried about backlash over the way you've been treated. 710 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,562 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 711 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,920 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 712 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,485 60'? 713 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,887 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 714 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,566 Yeah, I know. 715 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,761 Bollocks. 716 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,611 - What? - I handed in my resignation. 717 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,563 I'm no longer a police officer. 718 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:33,569 Subtitles by TVT