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(Crackling)

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TAS PAPPAS:
I don't like bringing it all up

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because I would like to be
friends with everyone again.

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But you're asking me questions
about that period -

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well, that's what went on.

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That's just the way it is.

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That's the way it went down.
I can't bullshit.

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Don't want the PAPPAS brothers
to be remembered

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as just maniacs.

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But it got pretty heavy.
Yeah, just weird.

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Stuff you wouldn't think would
happen in skateboarding.

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And the facts is this, boys -

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there's three sides
to every story -

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there's my side,
your side and the truth.

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DOM KEKICH : Back then, there
was no other place better to be

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than Prahran
if you were a skateboarder.

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You had all different types
of people rocking up there.

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People in the tight, torn jeans,

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long hair.. .

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Messy ones, clean-cut.

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No matter who you were,

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you'd just get accepted
if you were a skateboarder.

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CAMERAMAN :
Do you like skaters?

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- Yeah, I am one.
- Do you like other skaters?

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- Yeah, of course. I have to.
- You have to?

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What do you think
of pedestrians?

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Can't do much about 'em.

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DOM KEKICH :
I used to finish school at 3: 30,

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get my board
and go straight to the ramp.

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It was the only thing
that I wanted to do at the time.

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- Oh!
MAN : You alright?

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CAMERAMAN :
DOM! Why do you skate?

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- For fun.
- Fun?

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Yeah. What else would
I skate for? Money?

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OM : I had that sense of freedom
there with skateboarding,

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and pretty much
that was my life at the time -

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I was just skateboarding.

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School was OK, but skateboarding
was more than that to me.

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CAMERAMAN :
Looking sharp there, Greg.

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Yeah, looking very good!

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GREG STEWART: Every weekend,
every night after school,

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we used to go down to Prahran.

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It was so exciting
because there were people

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from all around Melbourne, a lot
of older crew and street guys.

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CAMERAMAN :
Hey, why do you skate?

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'Cause, you know, I've gotta
get some enjoyment in my life.

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- (Chuckles) You know?
- Then go and have a pull, son.

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GREG : My mum hated it.

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She just didn't understand
why I wanted to go to Prahran

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all the time and
didn't understand that culture.

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Still to this day,
they don't really understand.

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What do you think
of skateboarding?

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Skateboarding?
I haven't thought about it much.

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CAMERAMAN : But do you think
it's a good sport, really?

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If it turns people on, why not?

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DOM : I was down at Prahran
one day.

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I was probably, like, 11 or 12.

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And these kids padded up and
just started from the bottom.

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It looked like they had never
even stepped on a board before.

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They just got on the ramp
and started pumping,

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going quarter of the way up,
halfway up the ramp.

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They didn't give two shits
if someone said to them

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to get off the ramp, they would
just go and have a skate.

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You could see they were
pretty hard, you know.

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I found out they were called
Ben and TAS.

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MAN : We were young as fuck
when we came to Prahran,

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which is on the rich side
of Melbourne.

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We were just normal kids

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brought up in a physical
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like having rock wars
and climbing construction sites

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and houses
that were being built.

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I saw the vert ramp and I was
just mesmerized by the fact

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that people could fly through
the air, and that took over.

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TAS: We were bogans.

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There's bogans in every country.

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I think in America they call
them hessians or white trash.

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They'd be the American bogan.

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In Australia,
it's just called a bogan,

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but it's more
the rougher suburb type.

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TAS: We grew up in suburbia,
half Greek, half Aussie.

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Sort of rough.

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Growing up was pretty hectic
as far as Mum and Dad went.

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They tried to be together
and cool,

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but there were just fights
every night.

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Mum was hardcore.

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I mean, they had a fight,
they got into it

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and then she's screaming
and I was, like, freaking out.

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'Don't hit Mum!'

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Then Mum would come back
with a big glass ashtray,

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smash Dad in the head,
then he's. . . Bff!

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..laid out on the floor
with blood coming out his head!

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I'm like, 'Ah! Dad's dead!'

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That's the sort of things
we saw growing up.

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Me and Ben would always be
going at it with each other,

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smashing each other.

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And we learned martial arts
as kids.

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I was in kung-fu
when I was five.

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They had to take me out of it

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'cause I started smashing
all the grade fives

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when I was in grade one.

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Just thought I was Bruce Lee.

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My dad and Uncle Willie
had a jujitsu school,

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and the first thing
Uncle Willie taught us

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was all the pressure points.

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Temples, eyes, behind the ears,

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throat, up the nose,
down the chin.

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And he's teaching us
all these death strikes.

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Then he'd tell us in class,

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'Right!
Now, what are you going to do?

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You've just walked in,
some bloke's raping your mother.

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Think about that.
She's about to die.

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Now what are you going to do
to that bloke?'

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We'd be in our heads, young,
going, 'I'm going to kill him!'

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And then they'd go, 'Now, spar!'

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And then we'd go in there
and fully spar.

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(Kids grunt)

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Dad was like,
'Willie, maybe we should ease up

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on the death strikes,
they're children.'

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But I took that to skating
and so did Ben.

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DOM : Sure enough, a week later
they're dropping in.

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TAS is dropping in,
Ben gets up, starts dropping in.

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They'd gotten good really quick.

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They just did it for fun,
how I did.

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We'd become really good friends,
me, TAS and Ben.

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BOY: Ben! Yeah!

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GREG :
We were a really tight group

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and everyone bonded
with each other who could skate,

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and we were just complete pricks
to other people who couldn't,

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so it was
that sort of mentality.

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- Do some fucking tricks!
(Boys laugh)

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BOY: When are you gonna
fucking skateboard?!

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BOY: That's the way!
There you go.

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(Boys laugh)

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BOY 2: Oh, look at it.
BOY: It's not good enough!

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BOY: Not fucking good enough!
(Boys laugh)

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BOY: You're a wanker!
Let's go, man.

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♪ The Star-Spangled Banner

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REG : Everyone used to come back
to my house

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and just. .. all we did

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was hang out in the lounge room
and watch videos.

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(Skeleton laughs)

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GREG : We always got
really excited

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just by watching videos from
the States, 'cause that was it.

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DOM : I used to just rock in
and there was my brother

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and a couple of friends
watching the videos.

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My drive is just progression.

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Just to be able to keep going on
and doing new things.

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DOM : To see what they could do,
I didn't think was possible.

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It just blew my mind away.

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GREG : That's all we watched,
and just recited songs from them

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and just had a laugh about
what the skaters were saying.

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CAMERAMAN : How long
have you been skating?

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Six years.

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- When did you start?
- Um. .. six years ago.

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GREG : The Americans
had that twang in their voice,

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like, 'Hey!' -
we used to imitate that.

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(American accent)
You're just flying around,

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like you're not skating anymore,
just flying around.

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Wasn't that Tony Mag's quote
in one of the H-Street videos?

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TONY MAG : It's like you're not
skating anymore,

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you're just flying around.

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♪ ROCK MUSIC

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TAS: All I cared about
was H-Street.

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New gen style, Danny Way style.

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I remember being in my room,
going,

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'That's it.
I'm going to America.

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'I'm going to be the best.
I wanna smash Hawk!'

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I had these huge dreams.

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GREG : You just realized

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that Australia just didn't have
that same buzz.

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So to be a part of that
US skate culture was our dream.

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♪ HARD ROCK MUSIC

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(Boy laughs)

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BEN : I was living with my dad
during the week

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and we stayed with Mum
on the weekends.

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Mum moved to Clifton Hill so the
closest vert ramp was Northcote.

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That ramp
was a lot bigger than Prahran,

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and it was pretty much
dead there

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so we had the ramp to ourselves.

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TAS: Sometimes these guys would
rock up to the ramp

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in these two Porsches,

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I remember just tripping.
'Who are these two?'

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They saw me and Ben learning,
fighting and learning,

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and he'll learn this
and I'll learn that better,

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I'll go higher here,
and we were just battling.

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These guys just so happened
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who had pretty much the biggest
distributorship in Australia.

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We had no idea
who they were either.

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Lucky we didn't get lippy
to them, eh?

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WOMAN : So if you were starting
off from the beginning

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to learn skateboarding,
is the book going to help you?

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For sure. It also has
a how-to-do section in it.

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BEN : Stephen and Peter Hill
approached us at the ramp

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and said, 'Hey, do you guys want
to come into Hardcore?'

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Which is now known as Globe.

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'We'll give you some product
and stuff.'

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I was expecting a T-shirt
and we walked out of Hardcore

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that day with so much shit,
I was just blown away.

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And from that day on,
we were hooked up

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with the Hill brothers
and Hardcore.

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TAS:
Me and Ben, we got sponsored.

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We couldn't exactly quite
do things yet,

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but they thought
we were going to be good.

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Hi, Jerry Sont here and welcome
to Melbourne's Festival Hall

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where, tonight,
skaters from all over the world,

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including USA's No. 1
Christian Hosoi

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and Sweden's Tony Magnusson,

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will compete
against Australia's best.

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The wheels are way more new
than his.

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Better trucks,
they're way stronger.

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TAS: We've got
the ultimate trucks. . .

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These are so shit. It's a joke.

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- It's independent.
- Grip tape, really chunky.

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Independent is where it is at.

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TAS: 1989 Ramp Riot,
they wanted us to go on it,

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and I told my dad,
'Dad, you've got to go!'

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Me and Ben were,
'Yeah, you gotta let us go

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to go on tour
around Australia.'

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Someone from Hardcore
spoke to our parents,

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and the next thing you know,
we're in the team van.

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(Cheering and shouting)

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♪ ROCK MUSIC

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TAS: And then we toured
around Australia,

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seeing all this mayhem go down.

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We were staying in a hotel
with 30-years-olds,

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partying out of control.

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We live to skate 100%o
of the time.

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When we travel, we skate.
When we're at home, we skate.

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The skating
shouldn't be organized.

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It is like trying to, you know,
chain a wild animal.

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It shouldn't be done.

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TAS: They're all just
coked, drinking maniacs

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with all these chicks.

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Naturally, that's what me
and Ben saw as young, young kids

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and we were like, 'Oh,
this is what skating is about.'

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And you're young, going,
'Yeah! These pros are cool.

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I wanna be a pro skater.

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00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:33,728
What's that white shit
they're sniffing?

239
00:13:33,854 --> 00:13:35,563
Oh, it makes you skate better?
Hmm.

240
00:13:35,689 --> 00:13:38,149
Get me tons of that.'
You know, you'll do it.

241
00:13:38,275 --> 00:13:40,443
(All cheer)

242
00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:43,655
AS: So that was our first taste
of pro skateboarding.

243
00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,660
CAMERAMAN : Harder.

244
00:13:48,786 --> 00:13:50,870
(Speaks indistinctly)

245
00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:54,374
- (Sniggers)
- Fuckin'.. . Unnggh!

246
00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:58,044
GREG : I got into video

247
00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:01,214
just because so much stuff
was happening at Prahran,

248
00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:03,716
it was entertaining
to actually watch

249
00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:07,387
people's reactions
to themselves on video.

250
00:14:09,306 --> 00:14:11,224
Why are you filming
all the time?

251
00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:17,230
REG : Apart from the skating, we
were just basically hanging out,

252
00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:20,441
doing what your regular boys
would do at that age.

253
00:14:20,568 --> 00:14:25,488
Look at that little baby. Mmm.
She's just asking for a root.

254
00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:28,825
- Mmm.
- Lana, want to fuck?

255
00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:31,452
No, don't say that.
Buzz will root you!

256
00:14:31,579 --> 00:14:34,831
Nah, I'm just asking for Buzz.
He hasn't got the guts to.

257
00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,253
GREG : At the same time,

258
00:14:40,379 --> 00:14:43,423
I could see TAS and Ben
were getting really good.

259
00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:45,925
They were improving,
like, really quickly.

260
00:14:46,051 --> 00:14:48,094
(Clapping and whooping)

261
00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,179
(Laughs)

262
00:14:51,765 --> 00:14:53,433
GREG : Just go for it.

263
00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:59,731
REG : They were doing new tricks
that, in some respects,

264
00:14:59,857 --> 00:15:01,649
that were better
than some of the pros

265
00:15:01,775 --> 00:15:03,610
who were in
the American videos.

266
00:15:14,997 --> 00:15:17,832
Shut up while
I'm trying to skate. Alright?

267
00:15:17,958 --> 00:15:19,042
Fair enough.

268
00:15:21,295 --> 00:15:23,171
(Laughs)

269
00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:26,507
GREG : TAS was
an in-your-face kind of guy,

270
00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:28,468
and his skating was the same.

271
00:15:30,346 --> 00:15:32,096
He'd just go for it,

272
00:15:32,222 --> 00:15:35,266
always put together
the hardest stuff, back to back.

273
00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:37,727
If he slammed, he slammed.

274
00:15:39,813 --> 00:15:42,106
DOM : If he couldn't make
a trick,

275
00:15:42,232 --> 00:15:44,651
it was, 'Look out, heads,
here is a board coming.'

276
00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,779
Fuckin' dick! Fuckin' homo!

277
00:15:47,905 --> 00:15:49,238
Fuckin' eh!

278
00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:55,787
(Metal bangs)

279
00:15:55,913 --> 00:15:59,916
ON VIDEO: No, don't say that.
- Buzz will root you!

280
00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:02,961
(Laughs)

281
00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:06,714
GREG : Ben, on that session
you just watched today,

282
00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,592
what is the outcome,
your response?

283
00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:12,887
Ah, well. .. nothing.

284
00:16:13,013 --> 00:16:14,973
GREG : Ben was always different
to TAS,

285
00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,517
maybe because
he was the younger brother.

286
00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:21,646
He was quite laid-back and he
was just a bit more open-minded.

287
00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:23,564
It was weak.

288
00:16:27,152 --> 00:16:30,029
GREG : At the time, there was
a big boom in street skating.

289
00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:33,658
It had its own energy,
it had its own language.

290
00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:43,501
It was a new generation of kids
taking all the old tricks

291
00:16:43,627 --> 00:16:45,128
and adding kickflips

292
00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:47,588
to create a whole new
dynamic form of skating.

293
00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:56,639
Ben would come along
and skate street with us

294
00:16:56,765 --> 00:16:58,766
and actually try
these street tricks

295
00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:01,686
on the vertical,
which was just unheard of.

296
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:12,280
GREG : Ben PAPPAS.

297
00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:16,993
- Kick Indy revert.
- Yep. Do it.

298
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,870
After the heelflip?

299
00:17:18,996 --> 00:17:21,706
No, try the varial. You're so
fucking close to the varial.

300
00:17:21,832 --> 00:17:25,043
GREG : The thing that was really
amazing about Ben

301
00:17:25,169 --> 00:17:28,296
was he was just, like,
completely natural.

302
00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:31,007
If you thought anything,
he would do it.

303
00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:32,508
- Back foot kickflip.
- You'll never do it.

304
00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:33,968
- Alright.
- You're dreaming.

305
00:17:34,094 --> 00:17:36,304
GREG : Obviously take time,
but he'd actually do it

306
00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,015
and do it all the time,
really easily.

307
00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:42,351
That's when all that sort of
vert and street mix

308
00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:45,396
was coming to power,
I guess you could say.

309
00:17:45,522 --> 00:17:47,607
(Speaks indistinctly)

310
00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:51,778
(Boys laugh)

311
00:17:53,197 --> 00:17:55,364
Look at how Sean's going, eh?

312
00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:57,950
TAS: He'd like to quote
movies, my brother.

313
00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:03,706
The movie Platoon, that was the
war between Elias and Barnes,

314
00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:07,585
and he'd say, like,
we skated like Barnes and Elias.

315
00:18:07,711 --> 00:18:10,922
Elias was more free-flowing
and stoned

316
00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:12,507
and Barnes was like,

317
00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:16,010
'If the machine breaks down,
we break down.'

318
00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:17,887
He just gets hammered
and just, 'Raah!'

319
00:18:18,013 --> 00:18:21,390
Makes things happen, and that's
how Ben reckons I skated.

320
00:18:23,227 --> 00:18:26,604
I'd roll in, try to do
everything and land it or die.

321
00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:28,898
He'd call it 'Barnesing' it.

322
00:18:30,692 --> 00:18:34,946
Ben was more flick perfect
and he was more the Elias

323
00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:37,448
'cause he tried to be more
understanding.

324
00:18:42,538 --> 00:18:46,124
We did everything together.
We were inseparable.

325
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,334
Go slowly.

326
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:51,754
- Wait, are you filming?
- Yeah.

327
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,092
GREG : The scene was really dead
in Australia at that point.

328
00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:58,511
Just feed it. Don't hurt it.

329
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:02,557
GREG : But it sort of brought us
sort of closer together.

330
00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:04,267
It's trying to attack me!

331
00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:06,894
GREG : TAS and Ben both knew
how to have a fun time.

332
00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:08,020
Come on!

333
00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:10,231
(Boys laugh)

334
00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:12,942
Get off!

335
00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:17,905
(Boys laugh)

336
00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:23,119
GREG : I'm recording.

337
00:19:23,245 --> 00:19:25,204
GREG : Yeah, hang on.
(TAS breaks wind)

338
00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:27,331
(Boys laugh)
TAS: Did it work?

339
00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,417
GIRL: (Laughs) Nah!
- No!

340
00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:32,336
(All laugh)
- Did it work?

341
00:19:32,462 --> 00:19:36,799
GREG : Got it, mongol?
- Fucking wait.

342
00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:40,428
DOM : TAS always had something
new up his sleeve, you know.

343
00:19:40,554 --> 00:19:43,890
If it was causing mischief, he
definitely wouldn't hold back.

344
00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:47,185
Hold it upside down until
the plastic starts burning.

345
00:19:49,396 --> 00:19:53,232
The bomb is gonna go off!

346
00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:55,651
TAS: Little bogans, I suppose.
That's what we did.

347
00:19:55,777 --> 00:19:58,613
We were always looking
for a rush, trying to have fun.

348
00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:00,615
BOY 1 : Fuck off.
BOY 2: Keep away from me!

349
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:03,117
- You're a fucking goober!
- Get away from me!

350
00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:06,120
- Fucking don't hit me.
- Get away from me, you idiot.

351
00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:10,625
- You're a cunt.
- Well, fuck you, mongol.

352
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,755
(Boys laugh)
BOY: Yeah!

353
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:18,925
TAS: What kid doesn't have fun
blowing up lighters

354
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:22,803
or smashing things or finding
a stolen car in a paddock

355
00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:26,974
and smashing all the windows
in it and setting it on fire?

356
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:31,145
(Chuckles) What little kid
didn't enjoy that stuff?

357
00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:33,856
It's what everyone does,
don't they?

358
00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:35,441
Didn't they?

359
00:20:35,567 --> 00:20:37,652
♪ ROCK MUSIC

360
00:20:45,118 --> 00:20:47,328
Why are you here?

361
00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:49,288
I'm doing a demo.

362
00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:51,249
What do you think of the demo
so far?

363
00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:52,416
It sucks.

364
00:20:52,542 --> 00:20:53,876
- Why?
- Shit ramp.

365
00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:56,087
Any good-looking chicks
out there?

366
00:20:56,213 --> 00:21:00,091
Uh. .. most of them are lizards.
I suppose there'd be a few.

367
00:21:00,217 --> 00:21:03,511
How could you sum Sydney up
in one word?

368
00:21:03,637 --> 00:21:04,804
Fucked.

369
00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:11,978
TAS: It went sort of slack
for a bit.

370
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:13,646
Not much skating went down.

371
00:21:13,772 --> 00:21:15,690
That was when I made up my mind.

372
00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:19,277
I was 16, worked for a year
and a half, saved up my money,

373
00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:22,655
jumped on a plane, vowing
to myself I have to go there,

374
00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:24,907
and I have to beat Hawk.

375
00:21:28,787 --> 00:21:32,248
Hello, and welcome
to the skate park of Tampa.

376
00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:34,750
I'll be your tour guide.
My name is Bill.

377
00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:38,254
Welcome to the pro shop.
We've just refinished it.

378
00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:41,007
You've got Fred over here,
dealing with construction.. .

379
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:45,303
You've got Olly, park employee.
And the Sandman.

380
00:21:45,429 --> 00:21:49,974
BILL: The first time I met TAS
was in Tampa, Florida.

381
00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:54,645
They had a vert ramp in
a warehouse where lots of people

382
00:21:54,771 --> 00:21:57,606
from all over the world
would show up.

383
00:21:57,733 --> 00:21:58,983
(Shouting)

384
00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,110
It was not only a great place
to skate

385
00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:03,529
but it was a really fun place
to party.

386
00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,115
It was a cool environment.

387
00:22:06,241 --> 00:22:09,535
TAS: We lived in the skate park
behind the ramp.

388
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,704
There was the skate park

389
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:15,082
and then there was an office
building inside the warehouse,

390
00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:19,253
and we lived directly under the
ramp in the Charlie Brown room.

391
00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:22,131
It was painted yellow
with a black zigzag

392
00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:23,883
all the way around the room.

393
00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,594
Trippy room, gave you really
weird dreams in there.

394
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,763
BILL: He was a kid.

395
00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:31,891
I don't even know how
you'd gather the kind of money

396
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:34,477
it takes to get
a plane ticket from Australia

397
00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:41,275
to fly all the way to the US
with nowhere to stay in sight,
trying to chase a dream

398
00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:44,445
that, you know,
doesn't seem very realistic.

399
00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:47,573
You get here and
if you're the new vert skater

400
00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:50,910
from Australia that shows up,
nobody cares.

401
00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:54,038
TAS came over here

402
00:22:54,164 --> 00:22:57,792
and his skating was what put him
on the map, period.

403
00:22:57,918 --> 00:22:59,543
It was, like, undeniable.

404
00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:04,382
TAS: The level of skating there
was mad!

405
00:23:04,508 --> 00:23:06,509
Everyone was just going off
all the time,

406
00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,595
just filming constantly,
everyone is there every day.

407
00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:13,099
..in the pool room.

408
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:17,103
Mike Frazier, Mike Crum!
What do you know?

409
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,271
(Retches)

410
00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:27,696
TAS: It was full-blown mayhem.
It was crazy, man.

411
00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:31,117
A lot of acid-taking going down.

412
00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:37,123
You get sheets,
mini sheets of acid

413
00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:39,708
and I'd just have acid
all the time.

414
00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:41,919
(Wolf howls)

415
00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:49,927
♪ Madness and mayhem. . . ♪

416
00:23:50,053 --> 00:23:52,596
I filmed my whole part,

417
00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:55,474
all my tricks in the Mad Circle
Let The Horns Blow,

418
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,394
I was on acid, and I got
Video Part of the Year.

419
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:01,814
When I'd get on the acid,

420
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:04,400
it was like everything just felt
like I was moving well.

421
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:07,194
You know that Da Vinci painting
where the guy is like this

422
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,281
and it's in the circle,
there's all the numbers?

423
00:24:10,407 --> 00:24:11,949
I started feeling like him.

424
00:24:12,075 --> 00:24:15,161
♪ HEAVY METAL

425
00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:35,306
I always wanted to be able to do
everything in a line at the end.

426
00:24:35,432 --> 00:24:37,391
I just thought
the best thing is, like,

427
00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:41,061
imagine all these mad, single
tricks these guys have filmed

428
00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:42,855
and then everyone thinks
that's your video part done

429
00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:44,732
and then,
at the end of your part,

430
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:48,486
you gotta do it all
in one line.

431
00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:51,530
♪ HEAVY METAL

432
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:08,547
(Boy screams and whoops)

433
00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:11,383
BILL: The Mad Circle video
really put him on the map

434
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:17,014
because he was certainly
the next guy that was changing

435
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:19,558
what you thought was possible
or how it was done on vert.

436
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:22,478
There was one line
that stood out

437
00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:24,772
that was like
all the hardest tricks

438
00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:29,151
that no one had really ever
seen, but put into one line.

439
00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:34,073
Rumor has it that that line was
done on mushrooms as well,

440
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:37,826
so it made it
that much more iconic.

441
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:46,710
GREG : In that period
when TAS was in the States,

442
00:25:46,836 --> 00:25:51,131
Ben was preparing himself
to be a world-class skater.

443
00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:52,800
MAN : Oh, yeah!

444
00:25:56,596 --> 00:25:59,515
CAMERAMAN : Whoo-hoo!

445
00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:03,018
- It's fucking cold!
(People laugh)

446
00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:05,980
Oh, my God! That was so scary!

447
00:26:06,106 --> 00:26:08,482
CAMERAMAN : You guys are fucked!

448
00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:10,985
GREG : He was filming
all the time with me,

449
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:13,112
hanging out, having fun,
but also trying to do

450
00:26:13,238 --> 00:26:17,408
the best he could to prepare
himself to go to America.

451
00:26:20,495 --> 00:26:22,705
- Start again.
- Shut up!

452
00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:24,290
(Coughs)

453
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,794
(American accent) Bunch of
slack-jawed faggots around here.

454
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,047
This stuff will make you
a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus,

455
00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:34,174
just like me.

456
00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:37,845
BEN : I was 16, I finished
Year 10 and went to the States.

457
00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:40,139
My brother was already over
there 'cause he finished school

458
00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:41,223
because he was two years
older than me,

459
00:26:41,349 --> 00:26:43,350
so he was already
in Tampa, Florida.

460
00:26:43,476 --> 00:26:45,394
I flew over to Tampa,
met TAS there.

461
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,234
BILL: Ben blew straight onto
the scene like his brother.

462
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:53,861
BILL: What's your name?
- Ben PAPPAS.

463
00:26:53,987 --> 00:26:56,155
- Where are you from?
- Australia.

464
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:58,907
- How old are you?
- 16.

465
00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:03,412
BILL: These guys were putting
such a heavy hit on vert skating

466
00:27:03,538 --> 00:27:05,706
that it was just unbelievable.

467
00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,170
LANCE CONKLIN : Me and my brother
and this guy Bo Turner,

468
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:13,589
we would go to the skate park
to go skate,

469
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:16,175
and then seeing these dudes
skate the vert ramp

470
00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:18,761
like no one else I've ever seen
skate the vert ramp.

471
00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:21,263
Out of nowhere, like,
'Who the fuck are these guys?'

472
00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:23,932
'Oh, they're the PAPPAS brothers
from Australia.'

473
00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:29,104
Both those guys were,
'I'm going to fucking make this
trick, I don't give a shit.'

474
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:30,898
That was the mentality.

475
00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,525
When they were on it,
it was like, 'Dude, stand back,

476
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:37,696
and fucking watch some really,
really good skateboarding.'

477
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:39,782
♪ ROCK MUSIC

478
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:45,412
(Cheering and applauding)

479
00:27:45,538 --> 00:27:47,373
TAS: Got onto the comp circuit.

480
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:51,168
Being an outsider from another
country, it was hard.

481
00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:58,342
You come up,
you've gotta start doing stuff

482
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:01,679
that is just obviously
light-years ahead,

483
00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:05,641
or way harder combos which
no one's even bothering to do.

484
00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,436
BILL: TAS went from a guy

485
00:28:09,562 --> 00:28:11,855
that was living in
the skate park at Tampa

486
00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:17,319
to a guy that started to pick up
a bunch of really good sponsors.

487
00:28:17,445 --> 00:28:18,737
Ben, as well, during that

488
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:22,574
had really stepped into
that arena just like TAS.

489
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:25,160
They were both
so fucking gnarly.

490
00:28:25,286 --> 00:28:27,413
(Whooping and cheering)

491
00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:34,086
TAS: It took Ben a bit
to get used to the pressure

492
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:37,965
of the world stage, but once he
did, he just started killing it.

493
00:28:38,091 --> 00:28:41,009
(Cheering)

494
00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:42,761
TAS: I never thought
about the money.

495
00:28:42,887 --> 00:28:44,847
I was just enjoying
going on tour

496
00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:48,308
and chicks and new best friends
in every city.

497
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:50,102
(Chuckles) It was fun.

498
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,403
COMMENTATOR:
TAS PAPPAS, ready to go.

499
00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:02,239
He's a feisty one.
COMMENTATOR 2:
He is a feisty one.. .

500
00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:03,991
TAS:
As the comp circuit went on,

501
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,618
I started realizing
how weird it was getting.

502
00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:09,163
All of a sudden, it's ESPN

503
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:12,166
and you got your Hawks
playing it up to the camera,

504
00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,585
really going, like,
full mainstream

505
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:16,295
Brady Bunch type stuff.

506
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,839
COMMENTATOR:
It is skateboard vert,

507
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,092
and it is Tony Hawk's turn.

508
00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:23,802
Can I go?

509
00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:27,097
TAS: Some X Games it was like,
'X Games welcomes Tony Hawk'

510
00:29:27,223 --> 00:29:28,849
like, he was fully in there
at ESPN.

511
00:29:28,975 --> 00:29:30,726
I think he married a chick
from ESPN.

512
00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:32,352
It was like he owned it!

513
00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:34,688
He's a pretty smart businessman,
I'd give him that.

514
00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:37,691
COMMENTATOR: Tony Hawk, one of
the greatest ever in this sport.

515
00:29:37,817 --> 00:29:40,360
He's got his own skateboard
company, he's into videos,

516
00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:42,863
even took a stab at directing
in our ESPN truck.

517
00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:45,491
(Chuckles)
Hey, I just have a question. ..

518
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:48,869
TAS: I thought, 'Yeah,
what is this? This isn't us.'

519
00:29:48,995 --> 00:29:51,288
Skateboarding
is about individuality,

520
00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:53,290
and they were taking that away.

521
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:55,334
Whoa, nice.

522
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:57,544
COMMENTATOR: Is he going
for something new?

523
00:29:57,670 --> 00:30:00,422
TAS: Some of the stuff I saw,
I remember just shaking my head,

524
00:30:00,548 --> 00:30:04,343
just going, 'Wow, is this what
skating has turned into?'

525
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:05,886
(Screaming and cheering)

526
00:30:06,012 --> 00:30:07,971
REPORTER: We've seen that
he can fly high.

527
00:30:08,097 --> 00:30:11,809
Here he goes, scooting across
there. He's in the water!

528
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,602
(Cheering)

529
00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:17,773
Hawk takes a swim,
and the crowd love that!

530
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,984
♪ ROCK MUSIC

531
00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:44,341
LANCE: If you want to be
a pro racer, where do you go?

532
00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:47,553
Indianapolis 500.

533
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:50,639
You want to be an actor,
you go to Hollywood.

534
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:55,143
Want to be model?
Go to fucking New York.

535
00:30:58,356 --> 00:31:01,525
You wanna be a pro skateboarder,
you come to San Diego.

536
00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:07,948
I moved to California in '95

537
00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:10,701
and ended up living with
Danny Way,

538
00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:12,411
and then those guys came out.

539
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:16,832
It's not even that hard.

540
00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:20,127
AS: As soon as me and Ben moved
to San Diego, we felt at home.

541
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,880
Do it all the way.
Should go all the way forwards.

542
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,468
TAS: Then when Danny and Colin
invited me and Ben

543
00:31:28,595 --> 00:31:32,097
to go skate the Plan B ramp with
them, we were just psyched.

544
00:31:32,223 --> 00:31:33,557
Yeah!

545
00:31:33,683 --> 00:31:35,559
TAS: It was just like hanging
with the boys.

546
00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:40,522
There was no fakeness going on,
you know?

547
00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:42,774
Cocky bastard.

548
00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:46,445
LANCE: They were skating
with their hero, Danny.

549
00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,947
The level went up, huge.

550
00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:52,159
It was like, 'Holy fuck, dude,
did you see that?'

551
00:31:56,205 --> 00:32:00,083
Those guys fed off each other.
They were fucking competitive.

552
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,002
TAS would be saying shit
to Danny

553
00:32:02,128 --> 00:32:03,837
and they'd get into arguments

554
00:32:03,963 --> 00:32:07,382
and, 'Fuck, I can't wait to see
the skateboarding go down!'

555
00:32:07,508 --> 00:32:08,884
And it went down.

556
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:11,595
Ah, you trick thief.
Jake's been trying that.

557
00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:27,069
Then those guys ended up
living at the house

558
00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:31,573
and that was quite a.. .
You know.

559
00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:34,117
(Laughs)
I don't know what to say.

560
00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:36,328
(Laughing and shouting)

561
00:32:43,336 --> 00:32:48,674
TAS: That was another mayhem,
living at Danny's house -
it was just party time again.

562
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,553
Me and Ben are chopping coke
non-stop, skating, partying.

563
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,641
Just.. . You couldn't escape it
in those days, you know
what I mean?

564
00:33:00,728 --> 00:33:03,897
TOMMY CAUDILL: The first time
me and TAS sat down,

565
00:33:04,023 --> 00:33:06,692
he took my brand-new bag of weed
and I look over

566
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:10,737
and he's chopping it all up
with his cigarettes, you know,

567
00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:14,533
and, to me, that was disrespect.

568
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,118
I was a little pissed.

569
00:33:16,244 --> 00:33:18,120
You know,
'That's my fucking weed.

570
00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:20,330
That's my brand-new bag
of weed,'

571
00:33:20,456 --> 00:33:22,916
and he's chopping it up,
making himself a mull.

572
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:26,461
'It's a fucking mull, mate.'
Chopping it up.

573
00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:28,922
I don't really think it was
something he tried to do.

574
00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:34,636
I just think he was,
like, a natural asshole.

575
00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:39,016
At the time, me and Danny were
starting a skateboard company

576
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:40,976
called Platinum Skateboards

577
00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:44,146
and we wanted TAS and Ben
to be on the team.

578
00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:47,983
We started talking to them
and it was just on.

579
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:51,153
♪ HEAVY METAL

580
00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,906
(Cheering)

581
00:34:02,498 --> 00:34:06,209
TAS: Platinum was
a bloody dream team.

582
00:34:06,335 --> 00:34:08,754
It was a sick bloody team!

583
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,841
Chet Thomas came on board
with us, Henry Sanchez,

584
00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:15,635
but the big drawcard
was me and Ben were together.

585
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:22,309
HENRY SANCHEZ:
TAS and Ben were acquaintances

586
00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:25,228
until I got on XYZ Platinum,

587
00:34:25,354 --> 00:34:27,564
and from that point,
we got pretty close.

588
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:31,693
It opened up a different side -
for me, anyways,

589
00:34:31,819 --> 00:34:33,570
because I was
a street skater.

590
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,616
Just seeing those guys
skating vert, just going crazy,

591
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:41,286
living the rock star lifestyle
was pretty awesome.

592
00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:43,205
You appreciate it
as a street skater

593
00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:45,582
'cause you don't get
that rock star status

594
00:34:45,708 --> 00:34:47,375
that the vert guys get.

595
00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:49,878
They do a couple of Mac Twists
and come off the ramp

596
00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:52,047
and literally girls are
surrounded.

597
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:54,007
Ben wasn't so much like that,

598
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:57,552
but TAS indulged
in that lifestyle, you know.

599
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,139
BILL: They both rode
for this new company.

600
00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:03,850
There was all this huge hype
surrounding them.

601
00:35:03,976 --> 00:35:05,769
They had this
really cool apartment

602
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:07,979
just steps away from the beach.

603
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:11,066
Tas's dad had come over
and started living with them,

604
00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:13,485
so that was really cool,

605
00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:16,404
and then the contest season
started to pick up

606
00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,282
in the vert world and there were
some big contests.

607
00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:22,452
♪ WHIMSICAL, HAPPY MUSIC

608
00:35:36,634 --> 00:35:40,595
HENRY: TAS and Ben just killed
all the contests, you know.

609
00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:43,390
They were powerhouses,
they come from Australia,

610
00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:46,143
and they just had
that Australian attitude

611
00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,019
of not giving a shit.

612
00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:51,565
(Cheering)

613
00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:57,529
ANNOUNCER: From Melbourne,
Australia, TAS PAPPAS!

614
00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:01,950
TAS: There was a bit of
push and pull all year

615
00:36:02,076 --> 00:36:03,743
between me, Ben and Hawk.

616
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,454
ANNOUNCER:
TAS PAPPAS opening the door.

617
00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:09,332
Kickflip Indy. Wow!

618
00:36:09,458 --> 00:36:11,751
TAS: I just remember
going to each comp

619
00:36:11,878 --> 00:36:13,378
and we'd be doing latest tricks.

620
00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:15,380
ANNOUNCER:
TAS really had a good run.

621
00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:18,884
TAS: Hawk was still
just doing his normal stuff.

622
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,428
He wasn't flipping his board
or any of that stuff

623
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:23,555
and he would be winning
the comps still.

624
00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:25,098
We were a bit mind-boggled.

625
00:36:25,224 --> 00:36:27,851
ANNOUNCER:
And the judges scored a 90.

626
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:29,561
That means we are deadlocked

627
00:36:29,687 --> 00:36:32,272
and we will have a run-off
for the championship.

628
00:36:32,398 --> 00:36:34,191
TAS: He's an amazing skater.

629
00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:37,027
I don't particularly like
his style.

630
00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,529
He just wasn't doing
the latest moves

631
00:36:39,655 --> 00:36:42,157
and it was a bit hard to cop
at times, you know.

632
00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:50,874
ANNOUNCER: Oh, incredible!
Outstanding run by Ben.

633
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,001
TAS: Then all of a sudden,
Ben went off.

634
00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:56,087
I think he got three firsts
in a row or something.

635
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,465
He was just on this roll
at one point.

636
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:00,175
ANNOUNCER: Oh, my goodness!

637
00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:02,177
Ben PAPPAS
is the best skateboarder

638
00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:03,762
in the world right now.

639
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:07,140
- You've got to be stoked.
- I'm stoked as.

640
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:09,017
I was like, 'He beat me again.'

641
00:37:09,143 --> 00:37:11,603
Then I'd beat him
and he's like, 'Grr, next comp.'

642
00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:13,230
Like, brotherly push.

643
00:37:13,356 --> 00:37:15,398
It was always been like that
since day one.

644
00:37:15,524 --> 00:37:18,985
ANNOUNCER: Another fakie
into a 720. Holy cow!

645
00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:20,487
TAS: It got to a point

646
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,197
we weren't even thinking
about anyone else.

647
00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,116
Hawk wasn't in there.
It was just about pushing each
other further and further.

648
00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,542
We've been entering contests
ever since we were kids.

649
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:36,586
It's all the same
when it comes down to it.

650
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:39,464
It's just a contest. You're
there, you gotta do your best.

651
00:37:49,225 --> 00:37:51,101
TAS: I was told on the day

652
00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:57,107
that, 'You and Ben are one point
apart from No. 1 in the world.'

653
00:37:57,233 --> 00:38:01,111
Ben just had to place higher
and he'd have had it.

654
00:38:01,237 --> 00:38:04,906
ANNOUNCER: The crowd,
are you guys ready?

655
00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:06,574
(Cheering)

656
00:38:06,701 --> 00:38:11,413
1996, Hard Rock Café
Vans World Championships.

657
00:38:11,539 --> 00:38:14,833
(Speaks indistinctly)

658
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,213
COMMENTATOR: Tony Hawk
is banging trick after trick.

659
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:23,591
Not a lot of skateboarders are
able to do what he is doing.

660
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,510
TAS: Hawk did his normal run,

661
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:29,180
which is a good run,
but it wasn't, like.. . great.

662
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,434
COMMENTATOR: Although
he does do a lot of tricks,

663
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,186
the level of intensity
wasn't quite as high

664
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,272
as some of the other skaters.

665
00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:40,275
Ben PAPPAS dropping in,

666
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:44,070
dropping straight
into a huge kickflip Indy.

667
00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:47,866
Winner of three previous events
coming into this contest.

668
00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,868
TAS: It was a long, hard season

669
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:53,121
and Ben has a tweaked lower
back, so he was struggling.

670
00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:57,334
So I decided it was up to me.

671
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:59,836
I figured
I just had to Barnes it,

672
00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:02,380
and Barnesed it is what I did.
(Chuckles)

673
00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:04,799
ANNOUNCER: TAS! Yeah!

674
00:39:04,925 --> 00:39:09,054
(Announcer speaks indistinctly)

675
00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:14,726
(Audience cheers)

676
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,234
(Audience screams and cheers)

677
00:39:25,821 --> 00:39:28,573
Let's give a little applause
for TAS PAPPAS right now.

678
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,408
He's our No. 1 qualifier.

679
00:39:56,894 --> 00:39:58,937
TAS: Hawk was a very smart
competition skater.

680
00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:01,606
He's a chess master
on a skateboard

681
00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,441
as far as a comp run
is concerned.

682
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:05,443
But I wasn't interested in that.

683
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:12,033
(Audience cheers)

684
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:20,875
I did my stuff
and I slammed on a 720

685
00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:23,753
and slid out and went bang.

686
00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:28,675
I knew straight away
I had broken my rib,

687
00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:31,594
but it didn't matter 'cause
I'd already done my best run

688
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,972
so I didn't think
I had to skate again.

689
00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:35,849
ANNOUNCER: Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?

690
00:40:35,975 --> 00:40:37,934
What do you think?
What do you think?

691
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,616
ANNOUNCER: That is a dead tie,
so we are headed for a run-off

692
00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,994
with Tony Hawk and TAS PAPPAS.

693
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,078
TAS: I didn't believe it.

694
00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,581
I was saying, 'Oh, my God,
what more can I do?'

695
00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:01,916
I remember Ben going off
to the judges,

696
00:41:02,042 --> 00:41:03,751
'How the hell is it
a head-to-head?

697
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:06,588
He did kickflips 10ft high!'

698
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:08,715
Now I gotta try again?

699
00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:09,924
And it was even harder
in the head-to-head

700
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,844
because he would just be going
540, 540, 540, 540,

701
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:15,430
air to fakie, 720, 540, 540,
grind, grind, grind.

702
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:17,056
You know what I mean?

703
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,977
COMMENTATOR 1 :
Well, in situations like this,

704
00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:23,646
you always have to favor
the veteran of the sport -

705
00:41:23,772 --> 00:41:26,483
he's been here before.

706
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:29,569
COMMENTATOR 2:
Tony just doesn't fault.

707
00:41:32,656 --> 00:41:36,659
EN : Tony dropped in and did his
run and did every single trick

708
00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:39,829
that he was pretty much
doing that day.

709
00:41:39,955 --> 00:41:41,581
I thought he had it in the bag.

710
00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:44,501
I thought,
'Tony's definitely got it.'

711
00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:46,711
(Cheering)

712
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,519
TAS: I was on top
of the roll in. . .

713
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,729
..and I'm like, 'What have I got
to lose now?'

714
00:42:04,855 --> 00:42:08,566
My rib's already broken
so I may as well just go for it.

715
00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:14,656
If I didn't win, I just wanted
to be known as the guy
who went completely ballistic.

716
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:18,826
ANNOUNCER:
Are you ready for TAS PAPPAS?

717
00:42:18,953 --> 00:42:23,039
Look at that, just going giant!

718
00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:28,878
Oh, my goodness!

719
00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:31,422
Oh, my God.

720
00:42:37,137 --> 00:42:40,807
Fakie, 540 to fakie, one of
the hardest tricks you can do.

721
00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:44,811
Oh!

722
00:42:44,937 --> 00:42:50,191
That was amazing. It's going to
be a tough call for the judges.

723
00:42:50,317 --> 00:42:51,776
ANNOUNCER: Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?

724
00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:54,445
- What do you think?
(Audience cheers)

725
00:42:58,659 --> 00:43:01,202
Well, it's kind of déjà vu
in Las Vegas,

726
00:43:01,328 --> 00:43:04,831
Tony Hawk and TAS PAPPAS
went head-to-head for a final.

727
00:43:04,957 --> 00:43:06,874
They did it again today,
as you saw,

728
00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:08,543
and I'm gonna tell him
for the first time.

729
00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:10,295
TAS, you're the champion,

730
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,964
I don't know if you know that,
but you won the contest.

731
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:15,258
- Did I? No. ..
- You won the contest.

732
00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:17,927
- You're serious?
- Yes, you did.

733
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:19,762
- Nah.
(Laughs)

734
00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:22,515
Well, kind of an unbelievable
reaction because I know, TAS. . .

735
00:43:22,641 --> 00:43:24,017
TAS: I didn't believe it.

736
00:43:24,143 --> 00:43:25,935
I thought they were
taking the piss.

737
00:43:26,061 --> 00:43:28,563
Then after that, I was like,
'No way.'

738
00:43:28,689 --> 00:43:31,983
Are you pretty stoked right now?
What are you thinking right now?

739
00:43:32,109 --> 00:43:34,402
- You're in disbelief.
- I don't believe you.

740
00:43:34,528 --> 00:43:35,987
(Both laugh)

741
00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:38,197
(Applause and cheering)

742
00:43:42,703 --> 00:43:46,205
TAS: It felt sick!
You're at the top.

743
00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:48,416
You're on the best teams,

744
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:51,252
you're affiliated
with the best guys,

745
00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,213
winning comps.

746
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,759
That was the goal -
to be there, to do that.

747
00:43:57,885 --> 00:44:00,720
It was bloody amazing really.

748
00:44:00,846 --> 00:44:03,640
YOUNG TAS: When they called it,
it was just like, 'Holy shit!'

749
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,391
Yeah, that was amazing.

750
00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:09,812
I will never forget the day.
I was just blown away.

751
00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:13,441
TAS: Afterwards,
Hawk was sort of angry and cut,

752
00:44:13,567 --> 00:44:16,027
and he came up and he's
looked at me, he's like,

753
00:44:16,153 --> 00:44:19,238
'Uh, I just feel like
I should have won that.'

754
00:44:19,365 --> 00:44:22,575
Then Ben's just come out, going,
'Fuck off, Hawk.

755
00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:26,079
All year, they have been
giving you the comps

756
00:44:26,205 --> 00:44:30,249
and you come to us, "Uh,
I think I should have won!"'

757
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:33,920
And Ben goes,
'Why can't you just be happy

758
00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:36,381
for someone else
who's done it, man?

759
00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,091
You don't flip your board!'

760
00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:42,095
He goes, 'Fuck off, old man.
You're over.'

761
00:44:42,221 --> 00:44:45,264
Because Ben went to bat for me
so hard,

762
00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:47,850
I was thinking,
'Do I do the right thing here?

763
00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:49,185
No, no, no, Ben.'

764
00:44:49,311 --> 00:44:51,562
I couldn't leave Ben with it
and have Hawk hate Ben's guts

765
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:54,357
and not hate my guts
at the same time.

766
00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:56,567
'If my brother's going off
for me this hard,

767
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:58,486
I won't have him
look like the only dick.

768
00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,029
I'll be a dick with him.

769
00:45:00,155 --> 00:45:02,073
Yeah, fuck off, Hawk,
you fucking wanker!

770
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,368
You can't even flip your board,
you old prick.'

771
00:45:05,494 --> 00:45:11,124
And that's one of the things
that led to our feud.

772
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:14,127
TAS did a really good job
at burning bridges.

773
00:45:14,253 --> 00:45:17,880
You know, he thoroughly would
burn down the bridge.

774
00:45:18,006 --> 00:45:20,758
It wasn't like he stepped on
someone's toes

775
00:45:20,884 --> 00:45:24,470
and then worked it out with them
or anything -

776
00:45:24,596 --> 00:45:26,097
he would step on your toes,

777
00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:27,849
spit in your face
and, 'Fuck you!'

778
00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:34,313
PRESENTER:
No, it's not New York.

779
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,566
It's Melbourne's Prahran
skate ramp

780
00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:40,486
where the PAPPAS brothers have
come home to a hero's welcome.

781
00:45:40,612 --> 00:45:42,905
BOY: I've had tapes of them
when they were younger.

782
00:45:43,031 --> 00:45:44,782
They weren't as good.

783
00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:47,118
And now they've reached the top
and they're the best now.

784
00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:49,829
They've got the technique,
everything, soul,

785
00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:52,957
whatever it takes,
they've got it and they did it.

786
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:55,543
PRESENTER: TAS PAPPAS
and his younger brother Ben

787
00:45:55,669 --> 00:46:00,006
are now the world's No. 1 and 2
ranked skateboarders.

788
00:46:00,132 --> 00:46:01,966
I just did it to pass time

789
00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:04,469
and then it started working out
for the better.

790
00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:07,346
DOM : I couldn't believe it
myself, you know.

791
00:46:07,473 --> 00:46:10,892
I thought they would probably
get in the top ten or top five,

792
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:14,937
but I never expected them
to take it that far.

793
00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:17,732
I am a professional athlete.
I'm about to do an interview.

794
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:19,859
TAS: We went back home
to celebrate.

795
00:46:19,985 --> 00:46:21,611
We were just on such a high,

796
00:46:21,737 --> 00:46:23,488
we just didn't want the party
to end.

797
00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:27,533
Everywhere we went, we had a few
casual little lines of coke,

798
00:46:27,659 --> 00:46:31,078
which turned into
three weeks at a time.

799
00:46:31,205 --> 00:46:32,955
Yeah, it was party time.

800
00:46:33,081 --> 00:46:34,832
Come in, James, are you there?

801
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:38,377
TAS PAPPAS, everyone,
give him a round of applause!

802
00:46:38,504 --> 00:46:40,922
(Cheering and applause)

803
00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:44,258
TAS, can I just ask a question.
You are world champion.

804
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:48,262
You won the $10,000 prize or so
recently up against Tony Hawk

805
00:46:48,388 --> 00:46:49,972
and you did it
with a broken rib.

806
00:46:50,098 --> 00:46:51,808
How did that happen?

807
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:56,896
That was in my final run.
I slammed and smacked my ribs.

808
00:46:57,022 --> 00:47:00,233
GREG : I was watching TV and
Hey, Hey, It's Saturday came on

809
00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:02,109
and I saw Ben and TAS,

810
00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:04,862
and I went, 'Oh, my God!'

811
00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:07,740
They were completely bonkers.

812
00:47:07,866 --> 00:47:09,283
This is TAS' brother, Ben.

813
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:11,369
GREG : They were just
all pumped up,

814
00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:14,121
egos were flying
and high as fuck.

815
00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,123
..brother on the world circuit
with you?

816
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:18,459
I'm stoked to have TAS
on the world tour. It's rad.

817
00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:20,294
We get to cruise around, skate.

818
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:21,629
Yeah, I think he likes it too.

819
00:47:21,755 --> 00:47:25,132
A whole new lingo thing
going on here.

820
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:28,386
DARYL SOMERS: Thank the boys
for showing us what they can do.

821
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:31,514
We're proud to have
the No. 1 and No.2 in the world.

822
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,099
Yeah, these guys rock.

823
00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:35,643
ALL: Whoa!
- Heavy slam!

824
00:47:40,983 --> 00:47:42,483
TAS!

825
00:47:43,986 --> 00:47:45,403
Hey, TAS.

826
00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:48,072
What's in your mouth?

827
00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:50,867
(TAS speaks indistinctly)

828
00:47:50,993 --> 00:47:53,411
TAS: I was training
with Danny's trainer.

829
00:47:53,537 --> 00:47:57,540
I just was feeling pain and he
did a full check on my body ,

830
00:47:57,666 --> 00:47:59,375
X-rayed everything

831
00:47:59,501 --> 00:48:03,379
and then it turned I out
I had spondylolisthesis.

832
00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:07,258
Spondylolisthesis is where the
vertebrae breaks off the wings.

833
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:09,802
My spinal cord
was jammed down the bottom.

834
00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:13,890
He told Danny,
'Don't force TAS to skate.

835
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:15,933
He'll end up paralyzed.'

836
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,352
He told him, 'He needs some time
to get strong'.

837
00:48:18,478 --> 00:48:21,439
I ended up paying him ten grand
to do my physio.

838
00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:24,108
Do you want a Jack-and-coke?

839
00:48:24,234 --> 00:48:27,695
TAS: When I'd get injured,
I'd just go party,

840
00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:30,156
I'm not going to sit at home
doing this and that.

841
00:48:30,282 --> 00:48:31,657
I'd just get on it.

842
00:48:31,783 --> 00:48:34,535
What are you going to do
when you're young,

843
00:48:34,661 --> 00:48:37,496
you've been on top of the world,
you've got major injury,

844
00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:39,290
you're thinking this and that?

845
00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:40,917
You're going to party,
aren't you?

846
00:48:41,043 --> 00:48:43,044
Once you've already
got a habit, why stop?

847
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:44,795
You've got money,
you've got this,

848
00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:48,215
you think
it's never going to end.

849
00:48:48,342 --> 00:48:51,302
LANCE CONKLIN : Going from
nothing and then making money

850
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:54,722
and you're that young
and you're in a foreign land,

851
00:48:54,848 --> 00:48:56,098
it's got to be weird.

852
00:48:56,224 --> 00:48:58,726
All of a sudden you can do shit.

853
00:48:58,852 --> 00:49:01,729
When those guys started making
a lot of money,

854
00:49:01,855 --> 00:49:04,982
they got a nice house,
they were cruising around

855
00:49:05,108 --> 00:49:07,485
and having a good fucking time
for a while.

856
00:49:07,611 --> 00:49:09,153
Everything was great.

857
00:49:09,279 --> 00:49:13,658
But then.. .
fucking doing drugs and stuff,

858
00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,493
that definitely fucks you up.

859
00:49:15,619 --> 00:49:17,662
Everyone looks better in gold.
The gold rim.

860
00:49:17,788 --> 00:49:20,039
TAS: I would always have
tons of coke on me.

861
00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:22,041
I had a pound of coke
at one time

862
00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:23,876
just sitting in my dresser,

863
00:49:24,002 --> 00:49:26,337
I didn't even think if I got
caught I'd get a bunch of time.

864
00:49:26,463 --> 00:49:28,214
I remember waking up
in the mornings,

865
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:29,757
I had a big brick of this shit,

866
00:49:29,883 --> 00:49:32,134
and I had a mad knife
in my top dresser.

867
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,886
I'd wake up,
and it was sharp as,

868
00:49:34,012 --> 00:49:35,930
and I'd just scrape
the top of the brick

869
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:37,640
and then.. . (Sniffs)

870
00:49:37,766 --> 00:49:39,266
Straight off the knife,

871
00:49:39,393 --> 00:49:41,227
and just have it sitting there
at all times.

872
00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:45,523
Lee Ralph came over and
I'd just break off a good chunk,

873
00:49:45,649 --> 00:49:47,650
and do it until it was gone.

874
00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:51,654
I liked to buy in bulk
back in those days.

875
00:49:53,949 --> 00:49:56,283
LANCE CONKLIN :
Those fucking guys went nuts.

876
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:59,328
Going over to their house
to pick up TAS

877
00:49:59,454 --> 00:50:03,582
to go film with him one night,
and he's doing coke.

878
00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:06,210
There was a mound of it.
It looked like Scarface.

879
00:50:06,336 --> 00:50:07,545
I mean, it was, like,
a mound of cocaine.

880
00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:10,673
Like, 'Hey, Lance, Fuckin'
want to do some?'

881
00:50:10,799 --> 00:50:14,176
And I'm like, 'Alright.'

882
00:50:20,058 --> 00:50:21,851
He'd bring some along with him

883
00:50:21,977 --> 00:50:24,729
and we're driving
to the Plan B ramp

884
00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,815
and we get pulled over
by the cops.

885
00:50:27,941 --> 00:50:30,359
POLICEMAN : Get out of the car.

886
00:50:30,485 --> 00:50:33,070
LANCE: I'm like,
'Oh, shit, dude.'

887
00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:35,448
I know he's got it with him.

888
00:50:35,574 --> 00:50:37,908
POLICEMAN :
Get your driver's license out.

889
00:50:38,035 --> 00:50:38,909
They're like,
'What are you guys doing?'

890
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:41,662
'We're about
to go skate a ramp.'

891
00:50:41,788 --> 00:50:43,205
The cops are like,
'Yeah, right.'

892
00:50:43,331 --> 00:50:45,291
I'm like, 'Look,
there's the skateboard,

893
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,418
all the pads and everything.
Want to watch?'

894
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:49,837
POLICEMAN : What's this
contraption on here?

895
00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:51,797
LANCE: It's a skateboard.
- It's a what?

896
00:50:51,923 --> 00:50:53,632
ANCE: We got away with that one

897
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:56,677
and I'm like, 'Fuck, man,
we almost got busted for that.'

898
00:50:56,803 --> 00:50:58,220
That's when I was like,

899
00:50:58,346 --> 00:51:00,931
'Man, you've got to stop
doing that shit.'

900
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,309
LANCE: Let me film
all this shit.

901
00:51:03,435 --> 00:51:04,852
I'll fucking film it.

902
00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,605
(Man speaks indistinctly)

903
00:51:07,731 --> 00:51:09,899
(Whistling)

904
00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:14,653
TOMMY CAUDILL:
There was definitely

905
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,698
more partying that went on
than skateboarding,

906
00:51:17,824 --> 00:51:21,994
and TAS became impossible
to deal with.

907
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,830
TAS: You fucking rule, mate.

908
00:51:24,956 --> 00:51:28,292
I'm the same as you guys.
We all skate. We skate.

909
00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:29,794
MAN : Yeah!

910
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,130
TAS: I'm just the same.
I just got lucky.

911
00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:37,218
I could be God fucking.. .
(Speaks indistinctly)

912
00:51:37,344 --> 00:51:41,347
But the fact of the matter is
it's the skaters for the skaters

913
00:51:41,473 --> 00:51:44,850
and fucking Platinum
is for the skaters.

914
00:51:44,976 --> 00:51:46,852
ALL: Yeah!
- You guys rule.

915
00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:49,522
OMMY CAUDILL: The Vegas contest
we all went out to,

916
00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:54,568
I remember TAS getting so wasted
and so belligerent

917
00:51:54,694 --> 00:51:56,654
he didn't even skate
the contest.

918
00:51:56,780 --> 00:52:00,491
ALL: X-Y-Z, X-Y-Z!

919
00:52:00,617 --> 00:52:04,161
- Who rules?
ALL: X-Y-Z!

920
00:52:04,287 --> 00:52:06,413
TOMMY CAUDILL: He went up
on top of the platform

921
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,332
and we had a box of XYZ stuff

922
00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:12,586
that he was throwing out to
the crowd during a contest run.

923
00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:21,011
The main chick that ran the
whole contest tried to stop him.

924
00:52:21,138 --> 00:52:24,557
He's called her a cunt,
told her to fuck off, you know.

925
00:52:24,683 --> 00:52:29,103
It got the crowd away
from the contest, chanting.

926
00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:33,274
ALL: X-Y-Z, X-Y-Z!

927
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,818
MAN : Louder!
ALL: X-Y-Z!

928
00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:38,320
TOMMY: He disrupted
the whole event.

929
00:52:38,446 --> 00:52:40,364
At the time he was so drunk,

930
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:42,950
I don't think he saw really
what he was doing.

931
00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:46,412
He was just stoked on the energy
that he was creating.

932
00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:50,499
ALL: X-Y-Z! Platinum!

933
00:52:50,625 --> 00:52:52,334
(Horn honks)
(Man laughs)

934
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:54,211
Platinum!

935
00:52:54,337 --> 00:52:57,047
TOMMY: Everywhere TAS went was
like a fucking tornado, man.

936
00:52:57,174 --> 00:52:58,883
He just truly
didn't give a shit.

937
00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:02,761
XYZ, Platinum!
Or I'll fuck your mom!

938
00:53:02,888 --> 00:53:05,222
- I'll fuck your mom.
- (Laughs)

939
00:53:05,348 --> 00:53:08,142
TAS: Tommy was like,
'Why aren't you skating?'

940
00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,477
I think he was starting
to confuse the issue

941
00:53:10,604 --> 00:53:14,857
with my partying as to
just not wanting to skate.

942
00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:18,569
That's when
the downfall started.

943
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:21,864
Right there was when
it started to go sour.

944
00:53:23,116 --> 00:53:25,868
(Tires screech)

945
00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:33,876
HENRY SANCHEZ:
We just had good times.

946
00:53:34,002 --> 00:53:36,962
We drank a lot and smoked
a lot of weed and just partied.

947
00:53:37,088 --> 00:53:38,422
Had a good time.

948
00:53:39,966 --> 00:53:43,844
TAS: Me, Ben and Sanchez
were always smoking bongs,

949
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:47,139
doing snow cones, smoking coke.

950
00:53:49,851 --> 00:53:52,561
We thought that the money
was never going to stop

951
00:53:52,687 --> 00:53:55,522
because I was No. 1 in the world
and Danny Way had his name

952
00:53:55,649 --> 00:53:58,150
and we were killing it
and we were rock stars.

953
00:53:59,277 --> 00:54:01,904
(All laugh)

954
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:06,158
- Holy shit!
(All laugh)

955
00:54:06,284 --> 00:54:09,370
- He just went off.
- That was fucking insane.

956
00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:11,080
MAN : I thought I'd get burned.

957
00:54:11,206 --> 00:54:13,624
I thought this house was
going up in flames, dude.

958
00:54:22,259 --> 00:54:24,635
TAS: When you start making
a lot of money,

959
00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:26,762
a lot of shit
comes along with that.

960
00:54:26,888 --> 00:54:31,475
People get ego-driven
and greedy.

961
00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:35,187
You get a shitload of people
that pretend to be your friend

962
00:54:35,313 --> 00:54:36,689
just to get stuff out of you,

963
00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:38,607
especially where money
is involved.

964
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:40,693
Shit can get pretty messy.

965
00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:44,196
MAN : Oh, my God!

966
00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:46,448
- Jesus!
(Laughter)

967
00:54:51,705 --> 00:54:54,581
HENRY SANCHEZ: There was really
no direction in the company.

968
00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:57,334
How you survive in
skateboarding is basically

969
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,336
you get a good team
and you film a video

970
00:54:59,462 --> 00:55:01,672
and you make good products.
It's that simple.

971
00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:04,008
But there was no direction
at all.

972
00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:07,845
Danny would send me to San Diego
to skate and film,

973
00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:10,931
and I would skate vert,
I am a street skater. (Laughs)

974
00:55:11,057 --> 00:55:15,728
So.. . nothing was very organized
at all.

975
00:55:20,984 --> 00:55:23,694
BILL WEISS: It seemed like XYZ
all of a sudden,

976
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:27,031
which was part of Platinum,
they had built this huge ramp,

977
00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:29,950
one of the first really big
ramps, at this warehouse.

978
00:55:30,076 --> 00:55:34,371
So now these guys they had this
really gnarly practice facility

979
00:55:34,497 --> 00:55:37,082
or vert ramp to themselves.

980
00:55:37,208 --> 00:55:38,792
Everyone was like, 'What?'

981
00:55:38,918 --> 00:55:40,711
You'd never seen anything
like that.

982
00:55:42,964 --> 00:55:45,966
TAS: Danny and Tommy
never listened to budgets,

983
00:55:46,092 --> 00:55:47,509
and then the investors are like,

984
00:55:47,635 --> 00:55:49,678
'What's going on with the money
from XYZ?'

985
00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:51,430
It was just dwindling away.

986
00:55:51,556 --> 00:55:53,557
And I couldn't skate
because of the back,

987
00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:55,642
but I was still blinded
by the light,

988
00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,228
sniffing the lines of coke
from hell.

989
00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,481
'Yeah, whatever, I'm the best.'

990
00:56:04,944 --> 00:56:07,988
LANCE CONKLIN : I disagreed
with the money-spending thing.

991
00:56:08,114 --> 00:56:09,990
I thought it was stupid.

992
00:56:10,116 --> 00:56:11,867
Fucking buying dumb shit
and I'm like,

993
00:56:11,993 --> 00:56:16,038
'We don't need that.
We're a young company.'

994
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:20,042
It felt like they expected me to
be 'Fuck, let's just go for it.'

995
00:56:20,168 --> 00:56:21,794
No.

996
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,712
You need to put the money back
into the company.

997
00:56:23,838 --> 00:56:27,216
You don't start buying
fucking vans

998
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:31,553
and stupid shit we don't need
and partying and.. . Eugh.

999
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,306
I just wanted to make it
in skateboarding,

1000
00:56:34,432 --> 00:56:36,183
and that's why I got out of it.

1001
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,105
AS: They came and picked me up,

1002
00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:42,648
took me for a drive

1003
00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:46,151
and Danny and Tommy
were in the car.

1004
00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:49,822
They said 'Listen, we're gonna
have to let you go.

1005
00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:53,575
Platinum is no more.

1006
00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:56,328
There's just no more money.

1007
00:56:56,454 --> 00:56:59,915
And we hate to break it to you,

1008
00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:02,960
but your dad embezzled
the money, he took the money.

1009
00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:05,129
There's just no more money.'

1010
00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:07,005
I went, 'What?'

1011
00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:09,383
I was in the car. I remember
going, 'You're fucking kidding.

1012
00:57:09,509 --> 00:57:12,428
My dad wouldn't take money.
What are you talking about?'

1013
00:57:12,554 --> 00:57:14,054
They fully tried to say

1014
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:15,889
my dad stole all the money
from the company,

1015
00:57:16,015 --> 00:57:17,724
and then it got out
in the industry

1016
00:57:17,851 --> 00:57:21,145
that that's what was said about
my dad and I wasn't having that.

1017
00:57:23,148 --> 00:57:26,316
TOMMY CAUDILL: Kicking him
off the team wasn't easy.

1018
00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:28,527
It was like, I had to deal
with this guy

1019
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:32,739
and it would now turn
into a little personal war.

1020
00:57:32,866 --> 00:57:37,536
I felt at the time
I've put a lot into him,

1021
00:57:37,662 --> 00:57:39,788
I helped him out
as much as I could

1022
00:57:39,914 --> 00:57:44,918
and he thoroughly, I felt,
fucked us over.

1023
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:50,549
I had a lot of resentment
and a lot of frustration

1024
00:57:50,675 --> 00:57:52,426
and anger towards him

1025
00:57:52,552 --> 00:57:54,678
where I wanted to fuck him up.

1026
00:58:01,478 --> 00:58:03,604
TAS: We were sitting
at our house one night.

1027
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:07,065
Next thing you know we hear
boom, boom on my roof.

1028
00:58:07,192 --> 00:58:11,361
I go outside
and it's a fucking beer bottle

1029
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:13,363
with a sock on fire
and full of petrol.

1030
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,073
Lucky it didn't break.

1031
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,494
We heard fast footsteps,
and it sounded like little legs,

1032
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:20,454
and Tommy has got little legs.

1033
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:23,832
He tried to petrol bomb
the house.

1034
00:58:23,958 --> 00:58:27,127
I thought
'Fuck, this guy's off tap.'

1035
00:58:27,253 --> 00:58:32,132
I did things on my end
to let him know that

1036
00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:34,218
'I wanted you fucking
out of here, man.

1037
00:58:34,344 --> 00:58:37,429
We helped you get here
and you can leave now.'

1038
00:58:37,555 --> 00:58:40,057
We need to get the ball rolling,
alright?

1039
00:58:40,183 --> 00:58:41,433
MAN : Alright.

1040
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:43,310
Jump in off that
and go right here, OK?

1041
00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:44,978
- OK.
- OK, mate.

1042
00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:52,945
BILL WEISS: XYZ Platinum
both had fallen apart.. .

1043
00:58:53,071 --> 00:58:56,615
..and then sort of quickly
from everyone being

1044
00:58:56,741 --> 00:58:59,243
this sort of band of brothers
mentality,

1045
00:58:59,369 --> 00:59:02,287
there seemed to be
this huge falling-out

1046
00:59:02,413 --> 00:59:04,790
between TAS and Danny.

1047
00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:07,376
Then all of a sudden,
it was, like, cut ties

1048
00:59:07,502 --> 00:59:09,461
and TAS and Ben
were not even allowed

1049
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:11,463
to skate the ramp anymore.

1050
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:14,716
It turned kind of ugly
really fast.

1051
00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:18,512
TAS: I started thinking,
'This is crap.

1052
00:59:18,638 --> 00:59:20,973
Is this really what
skateboarding is all about,

1053
00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:23,141
just backstabbing bullshit
over money?'

1054
00:59:23,268 --> 00:59:26,395
I hated it and Ben hated it.

1055
00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:28,272
We'd be talking and Ben says,

1056
00:59:28,398 --> 00:59:30,399
'I can't handle the fakeness
over here.'

1057
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:33,443
So he decided to go home
for a while.

1058
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,865
We dropped Ben off at LAX.

1059
00:59:38,992 --> 00:59:43,370
So I slept in and then I woke up
to the phone ringing,

1060
00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:47,583
and it was Ben
at Melbourne Airport.

1061
00:59:47,709 --> 00:59:51,795
And all I heard Ben say was,
'TAS, I fucked up.'

1062
00:59:53,798 --> 00:59:56,633
REPORTER 1 : Ben PAPPAS was
arrested at Melbourne Airport

1063
00:59:56,759 --> 00:59:59,553
after his credit card triggered
a high cocaine reading.

1064
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,222
X-rays of his sneakers revealed

1065
01:00:02,348 --> 01:00:07,769
103g of cocaine with a street
value of more than $50,000

1066
01:00:07,895 --> 01:00:09,313
concealed in the sole.

1067
01:00:09,439 --> 01:00:10,522
REPORTER 2 :
Ben PAPPAS and his brother, TAS,

1068
01:00:10,648 --> 01:00:14,860
are youth sensations,
idolized to the United States,

1069
01:00:14,986 --> 01:00:17,654
where skaters rub shoulders
with rock stars.

1070
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:19,865
The pair is ranked one and two
in the world,

1071
01:00:19,991 --> 01:00:23,118
but such heights are now
likely to elude Ben PAPPAS

1072
01:00:23,244 --> 01:00:26,705
after he was caught smuggling
cocaine into Melbourne.

1073
01:00:26,831 --> 01:00:29,166
As imports go,
it was only a small amount -

1074
01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:32,169
just over 100g
for his own personal use.

1075
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:36,048
But importing the drug is
punishable by a hefty fine

1076
01:00:36,174 --> 01:00:37,966
or, at worst, a term in prison.

1077
01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:39,843
Whatever happens to him, it's
almost certain that Ben PAPPAS

1078
01:00:39,969 --> 01:00:42,888
will never be allowed back into
the United States to compete.

1079
01:00:48,311 --> 01:00:51,229
TAS: That was just bloody
the most shattering phone call

1080
01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:54,358
because I knew Ben
couldn't come back.

1081
01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:56,193
That shattered me.
I cried and. . .

1082
01:00:57,445 --> 01:01:00,614
..I just couldn't believe it.

1083
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:03,909
GREG : Picked up the paper
and it just was Ben PAPPAS

1084
01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:09,665
just, like, busted at Melbourne
Airport for cocaine in his shoe.

1085
01:01:09,791 --> 01:01:12,918
You just thought,
'What the fuck are you doing?

1086
01:01:13,044 --> 01:01:15,003
You're blowing it.'

1087
01:01:16,964 --> 01:01:19,132
DOM : My jaw pretty much dropped.

1088
01:01:19,258 --> 01:01:22,511
I thought he was in the
motivation to become No. 1.

1089
01:01:22,637 --> 01:01:26,390
I didn't think it was like Ben
to do that, bring it over.

1090
01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:29,393
I used to get along with Ben
back in the day,

1091
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,939
so I kind of really
felt for him at the time.

1092
01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:37,150
I wanted to see him
get through it.

1093
01:01:37,276 --> 01:01:40,487
TAS: Being pro skaters
who are traveling a lot,

1094
01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:43,198
people always propositioned
each other.

1095
01:01:43,324 --> 01:01:45,242
'Imagine we just brought it
from here

1096
01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:47,285
because it's so much cheaper.'

1097
01:01:47,412 --> 01:01:52,749
But. .. you know not to run 'em
across borders.

1098
01:01:52,875 --> 01:01:57,003
The pay-off is not big enough.

1099
01:01:57,130 --> 01:01:59,756
REPORTER: Does it mean
the end of competition?

1100
01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:06,179
GREG : It beat him up big time.

1101
01:02:08,182 --> 01:02:10,892
He just had a lot of regret.

1102
01:02:11,018 --> 01:02:12,477
He used to say to me,

1103
01:02:12,603 --> 01:02:15,397
'Fuck, if only I left my shoes
on the plane.'

1104
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:22,612
DOM : He couldn't go overseas,

1105
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:24,823
he couldn't travel
and make a living from it.

1106
01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:28,326
For him, that was
a huge wake-up call, man -

1107
01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:34,791
coming from second in the world
to rock bottom, that's it.

1108
01:02:34,917 --> 01:02:39,171
That would be like a spear
through the heart, pretty much.

1109
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:43,675
TAS: I was shattered.

1110
01:02:43,801 --> 01:02:46,762
My partner in crime has gone.

1111
01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:49,347
I'm gonna be touring the world
alone now.

1112
01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:54,144
Any country I go in, no one's
really got my back anymore.

1113
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:58,106
It was me and Ben against
the world, and now it's only me.

1114
01:03:05,198 --> 01:03:06,573
TAS: What are you guys up to?

1115
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:08,784
- We're just looking around.
- Hello!

1116
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:11,828
- You can sign right here.
- Alright.

1117
01:03:13,164 --> 01:03:16,291
TAS: What's your name?
- Gabe.

1118
01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:20,170
DANNY: I was living with TAS
at the time when Ben got caught.

1119
01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:22,798
I remember everyone
was kind of devastated.

1120
01:03:23,758 --> 01:03:25,884
Switch Ollie.

1121
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:27,385
DANNY: Dude, this is it!

1122
01:03:27,512 --> 01:03:29,262
DANNY: I started
filming him a lot,

1123
01:03:29,388 --> 01:03:32,891
and that's when he started doing
the 900, and he was so close.

1124
01:03:37,688 --> 01:03:39,689
CROWD: Whoa!
TAS: Fuck off!

1125
01:03:43,402 --> 01:03:46,780
TAS: After Ben got busted,
I was thinking,

1126
01:03:46,906 --> 01:03:48,323
'It's time to knuckle down,

1127
01:03:48,449 --> 01:03:51,743
try to kick the doors open again
for me and Ben,

1128
01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:54,412
like I did when I first came
to the States.

1129
01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:56,540
If I nail the nine
that could lead me to money

1130
01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:58,792
which could help
get my brother back.'

1131
01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:00,043
TAS!

1132
01:04:00,169 --> 01:04:01,920
Do a 900.

1133
01:04:02,046 --> 01:04:05,715
TAS: The 900 was something that
has never been done before,

1134
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:07,425
and it was very scary.

1135
01:04:09,428 --> 01:04:13,306
A 540 is one and a half spins.

1136
01:04:13,432 --> 01:04:16,768
With a 900, you go up,
you do a 540

1137
01:04:16,894 --> 01:04:19,604
and another 360, bang.

1138
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,526
(Clapping)
MAN : Whoo!

1139
01:04:24,652 --> 01:04:29,489
DANNY: He was so close, landing
on 'em, almost making it.

1140
01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:31,616
We had a couple of people
from Transworld Magazine

1141
01:04:31,742 --> 01:04:34,077
come and shoot sequences
of TAS.

1142
01:04:34,203 --> 01:04:39,040
DANNY: Yeah, he's gonna do it,
Grant. You want to bet 100?

1143
01:04:39,166 --> 01:04:41,793
TAS: Grant Brittain, he's
an old-school photographer

1144
01:04:41,919 --> 01:04:44,796
who works for Transworld
who's shot Hawk for years.

1145
01:04:44,922 --> 01:04:47,549
He shot all his photos,
they've been mates for years.

1146
01:04:47,675 --> 01:04:51,887
I just thought, 'Sick,
Grant's being cool again.'

1147
01:04:53,806 --> 01:04:56,057
CROWD: Oh!
You've got to get him
to free run.

1148
01:04:56,183 --> 01:05:02,647
DANNY: What?
Get him over there
when he's hyping up for it.

1149
01:05:02,773 --> 01:05:05,191
(Rock music in background)

1150
01:05:07,945 --> 01:05:09,321
MAN : Yes!

1151
01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:13,867
CROWD: Oh!
- Yeah!

1152
01:05:15,536 --> 01:05:17,370
HENRY: He almost made it.

1153
01:05:17,496 --> 01:05:21,041
He was way high,
way high in the air

1154
01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,710
and almost making them.

1155
01:05:23,836 --> 01:05:27,589
It was like a legit 900.

1156
01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:32,010
He heard that everyone
at Transworld,

1157
01:05:32,136 --> 01:05:34,721
Hawk and everyone was
gonna look at his sequences.

1158
01:05:34,847 --> 01:05:37,807
The Hawkman, everyone went
and studied his work.

1159
01:05:37,934 --> 01:05:41,061
TAS: I was just about there
and I was thinking it was on

1160
01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:44,522
and then I was thinking,
'I'll do it at the '99 X Games.'

1161
01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:51,154
COMMENTATOR 1 : From Melbourne,
Australia, mate, it's TAS PAPPAS

1162
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,115
and just from watching him
in practice,

1163
01:05:54,241 --> 01:05:57,369
after being gone from
pro skating for a little while,

1164
01:05:57,495 --> 01:05:59,204
the man is on a mission.

1165
01:05:59,330 --> 01:06:03,083
COMMENTATOR 2: This guy has just
been going off all day today

1166
01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:04,709
and all day yesterday
in practice.

1167
01:06:04,835 --> 01:06:06,169
COMMENTATOR 1 :
He's on fire, man.

1168
01:06:06,295 --> 01:06:08,546
COMMENTATOR 2: He has got
so much confidence going on
right now.

1169
01:06:08,673 --> 01:06:11,341
I want to see the 900.

1170
01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:13,635
COMMENTATOR 1 : Phenomenal.
I think he's gonna save that

1171
01:06:13,761 --> 01:06:17,263
maybe for the best trick contest
if he's in it.

1172
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:19,891
DANNY: TAS and Bill
were just super psyched

1173
01:06:20,017 --> 01:06:22,686
because there was
a best trick contest.

1174
01:06:22,812 --> 01:06:27,565
But for some reason,
they didn't let TAS skate.

1175
01:06:27,692 --> 01:06:29,526
TAS: I've done the comp,
this and that.

1176
01:06:29,652 --> 01:06:31,820
I've been doing alright
and Don Bostick is like,

1177
01:06:31,946 --> 01:06:34,197
'You're not in the best trick
comp this year.'

1178
01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:35,740
I'm like, 'What do you mean?

1179
01:06:35,866 --> 01:06:38,576
I've been in every
best trick comp all year

1180
01:06:38,703 --> 01:06:40,078
for the last few years.

1181
01:06:40,204 --> 01:06:42,205
Why just out of nowhere
just this one?'

1182
01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:46,835
They said, 'You're not in it.'
I said, 'Well, who is in it?'

1183
01:06:46,961 --> 01:06:49,295
COMMENTATOR:
Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk.

1184
01:06:56,262 --> 01:06:59,889
COMMENTATOR: It's the 900.
You guys wanted to see it done?

1185
01:07:01,517 --> 01:07:03,727
TAS: Then the best trick comp
started

1186
01:07:03,853 --> 01:07:05,770
and I saw Hawk
start trying nines.

1187
01:07:05,896 --> 01:07:09,024
And I was just like, 'No way.'

1188
01:07:09,984 --> 01:07:13,820
COMMENTATOR: 900, 900.

1189
01:07:17,491 --> 01:07:19,534
DANNY: TAS was devastated.

1190
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:21,453
Because that was it -

1191
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:24,289
if he would have entered that
contest he would have did it

1192
01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:26,082
because he's that kind
of skater.

1193
01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:29,878
COMMENTATOR: 900!

1194
01:07:30,004 --> 01:07:31,504
Everybody picture it.
Here we go.

1195
01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:33,923
TAS: I thought,
'What a weasel maneuver.

1196
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:35,508
At least give me a chance.'

1197
01:07:35,634 --> 01:07:37,427
He probably would have
beaten me to it,

1198
01:07:37,553 --> 01:07:40,055
but at least I could have had
a shot for shot for it,

1199
01:07:40,181 --> 01:07:41,681
you know what I mean?

1200
01:07:46,437 --> 01:07:48,646
(Cheering and applause)

1201
01:07:54,445 --> 01:07:56,571
HENRY: When Tony Hawk
did the 900,

1202
01:07:56,697 --> 01:07:58,490
I was there, I witnessed it.

1203
01:07:58,616 --> 01:08:01,493
I didn't think it was
all that impressive

1204
01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:04,579
compared to what I saw
TAS doing.

1205
01:08:04,705 --> 01:08:06,664
I know he would have
at least tried it.

1206
01:08:06,791 --> 01:08:09,125
I don't know if he'd have nailed
it, but he'd have tried it.

1207
01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:11,878
And it would have made Tony
Hawk's 900 less impressive.

1208
01:08:12,004 --> 01:08:14,923
TONY HAWK: If it weren't for you
people I'd never have made that.

1209
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:17,801
Thank you.
This is the best day of my life.

1210
01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:19,844
I swear to God.

1211
01:08:29,980 --> 01:08:36,361
TAS: I realized right then and
there who I was up against.

1212
01:08:36,487 --> 01:08:38,238
It didn't matter how good I was

1213
01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:40,281
or how close
I was getting to something,

1214
01:08:40,407 --> 01:08:44,285
it was just, 'Stuff you.
Piss off home, Aussie.'

1215
01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:55,964
MAN : Ahh!

1216
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:57,674
(Curses)

1217
01:08:59,260 --> 01:09:01,553
Leave it there, you cunts.

1218
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:06,516
GREG : I hadn't seen Ben for
two years after he got busted.

1219
01:09:06,642 --> 01:09:09,269
He just disappeared again.

1220
01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:12,939
But then I saw him in the city
just off chance,

1221
01:09:13,065 --> 01:09:15,608
and he was completely
a different person -

1222
01:09:15,734 --> 01:09:19,529
stacked on the kilos,
just mega overweight.

1223
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:26,202
You filming again?

1224
01:09:26,328 --> 01:09:29,622
GREG : He was just doing a lot
of drugs and playing music.

1225
01:09:29,748 --> 01:09:31,666
He totally did not skate.

1226
01:09:31,792 --> 01:09:34,669
He reckons he didn't skate for
about a year, year and a half

1227
01:09:34,795 --> 01:09:36,462
and was totally removed from it.

1228
01:09:36,589 --> 01:09:40,300
He was really unhappy
and really down on himself.

1229
01:09:45,973 --> 01:09:49,309
BEN : It's easy to get sucked
into doing drugs,

1230
01:09:49,435 --> 01:09:51,019
partying and shit like that,

1231
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:54,397
but in the end it brings you
nothing but bullshit.

1232
01:09:54,523 --> 01:09:58,651
Basically it taught me
that you reap what you sow.

1233
01:09:58,777 --> 01:10:00,153
If you do good things,

1234
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,864
good things are gonna
happen to you.

1235
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:04,616
Pretty much karma.

1236
01:10:08,579 --> 01:10:12,332
DOM : He was on antidepressants.
He would get depressed.

1237
01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:15,668
He gained a lot of weight.

1238
01:10:15,794 --> 01:10:19,756
At the time I had put on
the kilos as well.

1239
01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:23,635
I was on some
antidepressants myself.

1240
01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:28,264
Everyone used to see us
and see two fat people,

1241
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:31,684
and we were trying to skate
the new Globe ramp.

1242
01:10:32,895 --> 01:10:34,395
Hey, DOM.

1243
01:10:36,565 --> 01:10:39,359
Has it stopped raining? Yeah?

1244
01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,033
DOM : At that time,
I kind of felt

1245
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,369
that I had caught up
with a good friend again.

1246
01:10:49,495 --> 01:10:51,746
He needed somewhere to stay

1247
01:10:51,872 --> 01:10:53,414
so I said, 'Yeah, you're in.'

1248
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:56,793
And having him around was good.

1249
01:10:56,919 --> 01:10:59,212
Alright, this is it.

1250
01:10:59,338 --> 01:11:00,797
Make this one!

1251
01:11:05,261 --> 01:11:07,553
Whoa!

1252
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,223
MAN : So, Dommy,
tell us the vibe.

1253
01:11:10,349 --> 01:11:13,434
It's not looking too bad. We're
just gonna go to the ramp now

1254
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,395
and see
if it's alright to skate.

1255
01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:18,314
Maybe throw down a few tricks.

1256
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,024
Yeah, mate.

1257
01:11:20,150 --> 01:11:21,567
MAN : Top one.

1258
01:11:23,612 --> 01:11:26,781
- (Laughs)
- Fuck off with your camera.

1259
01:11:26,907 --> 01:11:28,032
Yeah!

1260
01:11:28,158 --> 01:11:29,993
So here we are.. .

1261
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,121
OM : We started skating together
all the time, just hanging out,

1262
01:11:33,247 --> 01:11:35,248
going out to bars and stuff,

1263
01:11:35,374 --> 01:11:37,458
having a good time
and skating a lot.

1264
01:11:37,584 --> 01:11:41,587
GREG : He was basically
coming back to who he was,

1265
01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:44,966
because he'd been on that
sort of arrogant high thing.

1266
01:11:45,092 --> 01:11:48,803
He realized 'That's not who I
am,' and went back to being Ben.

1267
01:11:48,929 --> 01:11:51,222
BEN : She's got sideburns.
Fucking hell.

1268
01:11:51,348 --> 01:11:53,016
(All laugh)

1269
01:11:54,977 --> 01:11:57,228
REPORTER: Professional
skateboarder Tony Hawk

1270
01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,772
is known worldwide
as an innovator of the sport.

1271
01:11:59,898 --> 01:12:02,525
TAS: I'd met this young chick,
Colleen.

1272
01:12:02,651 --> 01:12:06,154
She was a friend of the family
and we hit it off.

1273
01:12:09,616 --> 01:12:13,077
She was responsible
and didn't party -

1274
01:12:13,203 --> 01:12:14,912
all the traits that I wanted

1275
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:19,042
because I had my drug problems
and I kept that hidden from her,

1276
01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:22,545
but she inspired me to really
get my act together.

1277
01:12:22,671 --> 01:12:26,507
Within a year, she was pregnant
and we had Kaia.

1278
01:12:28,927 --> 01:12:31,929
Once I had Kaia,
it just made me start to think,

1279
01:12:32,056 --> 01:12:33,765
'Right, time to get serious.'

1280
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:36,976
I had sort of grown up a bit,

1281
01:12:37,102 --> 01:12:39,562
and once you've had a kid,
you start to realize,

1282
01:12:39,688 --> 01:12:41,189
'Hang on a second here.

1283
01:12:41,315 --> 01:12:44,984
I'll do whatever it takes
to feed my kid.'

1284
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:47,779
COMMENTATOR: Ramp it up,
ramp it up, ramp it up.

1285
01:12:47,905 --> 01:12:49,364
The vert doubles final

1286
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:51,949
at the First Union Centre's
out of control,

1287
01:12:52,076 --> 01:12:54,118
crowd peaking for Bob and Bucky,

1288
01:12:54,244 --> 01:12:56,996
giving Tony and Andy
a run for their money.

1289
01:12:57,122 --> 01:13:00,458
TAS: By then the mainstream
scene that had blacklisted me

1290
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,001
had changed completely.

1291
01:13:02,127 --> 01:13:06,172
It had fully turned
into show business.

1292
01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:10,551
And of course ESPN and
the X Games ran the whole show.

1293
01:13:10,677 --> 01:13:13,554
COMMENTATOR:
Oh, the crowd loves that one.

1294
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,516
They're show-stoppers,
this team Boom Boom.

1295
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:19,811
TAS: And I thought it was bad
in the '90s.

1296
01:13:19,937 --> 01:13:21,687
COMMENTATOR: Erin Hawk.

1297
01:13:21,814 --> 01:13:23,606
Those guys won.

1298
01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:27,193
You win.

1299
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:29,695
Even Danny was getting in on it,

1300
01:13:29,822 --> 01:13:33,032
jumping the great wall of China
on his mega ramp.

1301
01:13:35,744 --> 01:13:37,286
And it didn't take long
for the X Games

1302
01:13:37,413 --> 01:13:39,330
to cotton on
to that one either.

1303
01:13:39,456 --> 01:13:42,667
Of course they said
it was a way to attract

1304
01:13:42,793 --> 01:13:44,669
a new generation
to skateboarding.

1305
01:13:44,795 --> 01:13:46,838
To me it just looks like
it's only something

1306
01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:49,715
the privileged can do.

1307
01:13:49,842 --> 01:13:51,717
LANCE CONKLIN :
You know what sucks?

1308
01:13:51,844 --> 01:13:54,095
It's that whole X Games shit.

1309
01:13:54,221 --> 01:13:58,057
When I found out how much money
those assholes were fucking. ..

1310
01:13:58,183 --> 01:14:01,727
..assholes.. .
the X Games were making.

1311
01:14:01,854 --> 01:14:03,688
Take a fucking shit.

1312
01:14:04,857 --> 01:14:07,608
You guys fucking can fuck off.

1313
01:14:07,734 --> 01:14:11,154
How much they fucking scoop off
of fucking skateboarding?

1314
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,697
Suck it.

1315
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:20,538
TAS: But even though
I was shut out by the scene,

1316
01:14:20,664 --> 01:14:22,415
by the two main vert camps,

1317
01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:25,084
I found a way to support my
family through skateboarding.

1318
01:14:25,210 --> 01:14:28,087
COMMENTATOR:
TAS PAPPAS set up for the 180. . .

1319
01:14:29,423 --> 01:14:31,340
(Cheering)

1320
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:35,428
TAS: All the pros were doing
X Games,

1321
01:14:35,554 --> 01:14:38,055
but then I heard that there
was another comp circuit,

1322
01:14:38,182 --> 01:14:41,309
you get paid 250 a day
for a half-an-hour demo.

1323
01:14:41,435 --> 01:14:43,644
You're gone for a couple of
weeks out of the month.

1324
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:46,397
So I started thinking,
'Right, I'll pull my head in,

1325
01:14:46,523 --> 01:14:48,107
I won't be a prick anymore.'

1326
01:14:48,233 --> 01:14:50,526
Stuck to myself and skated.

1327
01:14:54,907 --> 01:14:57,533
TAS PAPPAS,
you'd better recognize.

1328
01:14:57,659 --> 01:15:00,786
This guy will put you in a
headlock if you don't shut up.

1329
01:15:00,913 --> 01:15:02,788
- Yeah, like this!
- Argh!

1330
01:15:09,338 --> 01:15:12,173
What?

1331
01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:15,051
DOM : Ben liked to keep
everything to himself, you know.

1332
01:15:15,177 --> 01:15:18,763
He met this girl, Lynette,
and he started seeing her,

1333
01:15:18,889 --> 01:15:21,015
and he didn't tell me anything.

1334
01:15:23,185 --> 01:15:24,977
GREG : It was odd actually.

1335
01:15:25,103 --> 01:15:26,938
He was never actually honest
in saying,

1336
01:15:27,064 --> 01:15:28,689
'This is who I'm seeing.'

1337
01:15:28,815 --> 01:15:30,816
She just used to rock up
at the ramp.

1338
01:15:30,943 --> 01:15:33,486
There was just this little small
flesh-and-bone. . .

1339
01:15:33,612 --> 01:15:37,740
She was really skinny.
She never said a word to me.

1340
01:15:37,866 --> 01:15:41,911
One time we went to a pub
around the corner from Prahran,

1341
01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:44,997
and she just popped up
and just sat down next to him.

1342
01:15:45,123 --> 01:15:47,124
I was like,
'Whoa, this is really bizarre.'

1343
01:15:47,251 --> 01:15:50,628
That's the first time I knew
they had a sort of connection.

1344
01:15:50,754 --> 01:15:53,005
He was actually really
embarrassed by it.

1345
01:15:53,131 --> 01:15:57,385
You could tell - he was like,
'Fuck.' Two sides to his life.

1346
01:15:57,511 --> 01:15:59,887
Just a really weird situation.

1347
01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:03,683
But every time
I saw them hanging out

1348
01:16:03,809 --> 01:16:05,643
or knew they were hanging out,

1349
01:16:05,769 --> 01:16:07,979
he looked like he had taken
a lot of drugs.

1350
01:16:12,317 --> 01:16:15,861
DOM : It was obvious that Ben
and Lynette's relationship

1351
01:16:15,988 --> 01:16:17,780
was revolved around drugs.

1352
01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:22,285
I could see he had been using it
because he was down and gaunt.

1353
01:16:23,495 --> 01:16:25,580
I knew he was on the Xanax,

1354
01:16:25,706 --> 01:16:30,001
but he didn't admit that
he was using heroin to me.

1355
01:16:36,425 --> 01:16:38,009
I didn't even see him around

1356
01:16:38,135 --> 01:16:39,844
for two or three months
or something.

1357
01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:44,015
He had taken everything
from my house at this stage.

1358
01:16:44,141 --> 01:16:48,894
I don't know
who he was staying with.

1359
01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:51,897
I didn't think he was going
to get into bloody heroin.

1360
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,567
What broke my heart was
when I heard he got into heroin,

1361
01:16:54,693 --> 01:16:56,360
I just couldn't bloody
believe it.

1362
01:16:56,486 --> 01:16:58,779
I went home one trip.

1363
01:16:58,905 --> 01:17:00,740
It was this Globe comp.

1364
01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:05,703
He comes with Lynette and
they were both off their face.

1365
01:17:05,829 --> 01:17:07,330
Pinpricked eyes,

1366
01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:11,917
just full smacked out,
just had a shot each.

1367
01:17:12,044 --> 01:17:16,714
I realized then that she was
a junky, Ben was a junky.

1368
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,133
So I went off.
I was being mean.

1369
01:17:19,259 --> 01:17:21,427
I'm like, 'You, get the fuck
out of here.

1370
01:17:21,553 --> 01:17:24,013
Stay the fuck away
from my brother, alright?'

1371
01:17:24,139 --> 01:17:28,059
We got into a bit of a fight,
so I left.

1372
01:17:28,185 --> 01:17:30,561
What am I supposed to do?

1373
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:35,232
He's 25 years old,
I'm 27, 28, with a kid.

1374
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,610
He was under the impression

1375
01:17:37,736 --> 01:17:39,654
I was having this great time
in America

1376
01:17:39,780 --> 01:17:43,157
and I'm like, 'Ben, mate,
you think I'm having fun?'

1377
01:17:43,283 --> 01:17:46,827
COMMENTATOR: TAS PAPPAS
comes into this event injured.

1378
01:17:46,953 --> 01:17:49,205
He's got some back. . .

1379
01:17:49,331 --> 01:17:51,082
TAS: I had to be top ten
at every comp.

1380
01:17:51,208 --> 01:17:55,461
That's how I was living,
trying to support my family.

1381
01:17:55,587 --> 01:17:58,923
Shortly after that,
Aydin was born.

1382
01:17:59,049 --> 01:18:02,510
And then the pressure was on.
The pressure was on hard.

1383
01:18:02,636 --> 01:18:07,181
Being away all the time
and not seeing my kids,

1384
01:18:07,307 --> 01:18:09,517
we'd fight a lot
while I was gone.

1385
01:18:09,643 --> 01:18:11,060
She'd be angry
I'd be gone,

1386
01:18:11,186 --> 01:18:13,312
it just strained the
relationship hardcore.

1387
01:18:17,442 --> 01:18:20,820
When I'd get injured
I'd start sniffing a bit of ice,

1388
01:18:20,946 --> 01:18:24,490
purely to be able to stay in
the comp to make the money,

1389
01:18:24,616 --> 01:18:26,659
and it would numb your body,
the speed.

1390
01:18:26,785 --> 01:18:29,495
And it worked,
but the problem was,

1391
01:18:29,621 --> 01:18:32,998
after the comp, you're already
on speed so you're figuring,

1392
01:18:33,125 --> 01:18:34,834
'Who cares?
I'm already off my face.

1393
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,752
Let's just charge
the rest of that gram

1394
01:18:36,878 --> 01:18:40,589
and get another eight-ball and
then we'll just go for days.'

1395
01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:43,092
And then boom,
I'm back on drugs.

1396
01:18:43,218 --> 01:18:45,261
Smoking ice, smoking crack.

1397
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:50,766
Then I hit psychosis mode bad
and I just lost the plot.

1398
01:18:50,892 --> 01:18:54,979
It was weird, it was like me
and Ben lived parallel lives.

1399
01:18:55,105 --> 01:18:56,856
Whenever he fucked up,
I fucked up.

1400
01:18:56,982 --> 01:18:59,817
It was like we were twins.

1401
01:19:01,486 --> 01:19:03,738
Do you reckon we should make
this one, Gregsy?

1402
01:19:03,864 --> 01:19:05,614
GREG : Yeah. Now.
- Yeah.

1403
01:19:05,741 --> 01:19:08,743
We can do it for another
two hours if you want.

1404
01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:10,119
- Now?
- Yeah.

1405
01:19:10,245 --> 01:19:12,580
GREG : Ben looked terrible.

1406
01:19:12,706 --> 01:19:15,958
He was going down to Prahran
fully on drugs.

1407
01:19:19,713 --> 01:19:23,299
He used to have this bottle of
Xanax and when we were filming,

1408
01:19:23,425 --> 01:19:26,844
he used to pop two Xanax
before the skate

1409
01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:28,929
and I was like,
'Are you off your head?'

1410
01:19:36,521 --> 01:19:38,647
GREG : He was really upset.

1411
01:19:38,774 --> 01:19:41,442
He was trying to get out
of that routine.

1412
01:19:41,568 --> 01:19:44,069
You could tell he was trying
to get away from that.

1413
01:19:44,196 --> 01:19:47,031
He knew in his heart that that
wasn't the right thing to do,

1414
01:19:47,157 --> 01:19:50,159
do drugs with her.

1415
01:19:50,285 --> 01:19:52,787
He'd just say, 'I've just got
to get away from her.

1416
01:19:52,913 --> 01:19:54,580
She's not good for me.'

1417
01:19:54,706 --> 01:19:58,042
But I think he didn't know
where to go at that point.

1418
01:19:59,336 --> 01:20:02,630
What's up? Not today.

1419
01:20:14,935 --> 01:20:18,395
TAS: I went to jail two months,

1420
01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:21,899
I went on a mad
ice and crack bender.

1421
01:20:22,025 --> 01:20:26,111
I came home and tripped out,
got in a fight with Colleen,

1422
01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,490
did a silly thing,
slapped her and hit her.

1423
01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,909
I was off my face,
I couldn't remember.

1424
01:20:32,035 --> 01:20:35,287
I was ashamed of myself too
because I've got a daughter

1425
01:20:35,413 --> 01:20:37,998
and if anyone did that to her,
I'd want to kill 'em.

1426
01:20:38,124 --> 01:20:40,417
It's something that's been hard
for me to admit,

1427
01:20:40,544 --> 01:20:42,169
and people look at it,
like, weak,

1428
01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:43,921
'You hit a chick,'
and this and that.

1429
01:20:44,047 --> 01:20:49,051
I don't know.
I am ashamed of myself for that.

1430
01:20:49,177 --> 01:20:53,222
They had me in the mental pod
'cause I was fried on the drugs,

1431
01:20:53,348 --> 01:20:57,059
and then Homeland Security
came to me when I was in jail.

1432
01:20:57,185 --> 01:20:58,853
They said, 'You're going home.'

1433
01:20:58,979 --> 01:21:00,771
I was like, 'What do you mean
I'm going home?'

1434
01:21:00,897 --> 01:21:04,275
They said 'You're going home.
You're getting deported.'

1435
01:21:04,401 --> 01:21:06,986
I stayed in jail
from that point on.

1436
01:21:10,282 --> 01:21:12,616
I just couldn't believe
what was going on.

1437
01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:17,830
I was losing my family. My whole
goal was to never lose my kids.

1438
01:21:17,956 --> 01:21:21,458
And then boom, it was just shit.

1439
01:21:21,585 --> 01:21:23,377
(Dog barks)

1440
01:21:35,849 --> 01:21:38,225
DOM : Me and Greg went
to the ramp at Prahran,

1441
01:21:38,351 --> 01:21:39,768
met up with Ben.

1442
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:43,063
I hadn't seen him in a while

1443
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:47,568
and it was the first time I'd
seen him so gaunt and just down.

1444
01:21:47,694 --> 01:21:51,280
Didn't want to skate,
didn't want to talk to anyone.

1445
01:21:51,406 --> 01:21:54,325
I thought his brother
is in jail,

1446
01:21:54,451 --> 01:21:58,078
his brother can't come over
to Australia to visit him.

1447
01:21:59,748 --> 01:22:01,665
REG : He was acting really weird

1448
01:22:01,791 --> 01:22:05,044
and completely like he just
did not care about anything.

1449
01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:07,546
I remember I said,
'Where is your board, man?'

1450
01:22:07,672 --> 01:22:12,968
And he said to me, 'I won't be
needing my board anymore.'

1451
01:22:13,094 --> 01:22:15,721
DOM : Ben said, 'DOM,
I need somewhere to stay.

1452
01:22:15,847 --> 01:22:18,682
Can I stay at your house
for a few days or something?'

1453
01:22:18,808 --> 01:22:23,020
Because he was such a good
friend, I couldn't refuse.

1454
01:22:27,901 --> 01:22:31,195
Ben wasn't talking.
He was just really down.

1455
01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:33,656
I was trying to ask him
what's on his mind.

1456
01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:36,408
He started crying and said

1457
01:22:36,534 --> 01:22:41,455
he couldn't remember anything,
like, what happened.

1458
01:22:41,581 --> 01:22:43,499
I said, 'What do you mean
what happened?'

1459
01:22:43,625 --> 01:22:48,462
He said he just remembered
waking up on a bench in the city

1460
01:22:48,588 --> 01:22:50,631
a few days before

1461
01:22:50,757 --> 01:22:54,093
and dropping some Xanax
or something like that.

1462
01:22:54,219 --> 01:22:57,388
And then I saw a newsflash.

1463
01:22:57,514 --> 01:23:00,265
REPORTER: The body
of a woman was found

1464
01:23:00,392 --> 01:23:03,102
wrapped in material
at Dights Falls yesterday.

1465
01:23:03,228 --> 01:23:07,272
Police believe the woman is
27-year-old Lynette Phillips.

1466
01:23:09,025 --> 01:23:12,861
OFFICER: The body has been
wrapped in material,

1467
01:23:12,988 --> 01:23:16,281
and there's a backpack
apparently with weights in it,

1468
01:23:16,408 --> 01:23:18,200
then over the material
and the body.

1469
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:20,160
REPORTER: Results of an autopsy

1470
01:23:20,286 --> 01:23:22,454
expected to be known
later tonight.

1471
01:23:24,165 --> 01:23:26,500
DOM : I thought,
'Shit, don't tell me

1472
01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:29,253
he's gone and done
something stupid.'

1473
01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:33,882
Just felt surreal. Couldn't
believe it was happening.

1474
01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:38,053
I said, 'Did you see the news?
Lynette's been found dead.'

1475
01:23:38,179 --> 01:23:40,431
He said, 'Shut up.
Don't tell me any more.'

1476
01:23:40,557 --> 01:23:43,726
And he left.

1477
01:23:45,645 --> 01:23:47,396
GREG : It was out of this world
really,

1478
01:23:47,522 --> 01:23:50,274
because you thought he was down
and out, but you never thought

1479
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,235
that one of your good friends
could do that.

1480
01:23:55,196 --> 01:23:57,614
DOM : I didn't want
to believe it, you know.

1481
01:23:57,741 --> 01:24:00,534
The Feds came around
to my house,

1482
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:02,911
they started asking questions
about Ben -

1483
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:04,997
when was the last time
I saw him?

1484
01:24:05,123 --> 01:24:07,332
They said, 'Can you come back
to the station

1485
01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:09,126
and answer some questions?'

1486
01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:13,172
They said, 'Now we're going
to give you some pictures

1487
01:24:13,298 --> 01:24:19,261
if you can identify
if this is yours.'

1488
01:24:19,387 --> 01:24:22,681
They gave me a picture
of a backpack and I said,

1489
01:24:22,807 --> 01:24:27,061
'Yeah, that's mine. I gave it to
Ben maybe six months ago.'

1490
01:24:27,187 --> 01:24:30,773
They told me she was
weighed down with that,

1491
01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,901
so I was like, 'Shit.'

1492
01:24:34,027 --> 01:24:35,944
They showed me another picture,

1493
01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:39,073
my doona cover, saying that's
what she was wrapped up in.

1494
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,575
I started just bawling.

1495
01:24:41,701 --> 01:24:43,452
Like, seriously
didn't believe it.

1496
01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:45,662
Just thought, 'No fucking way.'

1497
01:24:45,789 --> 01:24:50,667
I just had the impression,
'Ben, gosh, what are you doing?'

1498
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,465
REPORTER: Police say one of
the world's most talented

1499
01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:58,217
skateboarders, Ben PAPPAS ,

1500
01:24:58,343 --> 01:25:01,178
is a person of interest in
the murder of Lynette Phillips,

1501
01:25:01,304 --> 01:25:03,180
a recovering long-term
drug addict

1502
01:25:03,306 --> 01:25:05,349
who was studying
to become a counsellor,

1503
01:25:05,475 --> 01:25:08,602
her battered body
found wrapped in a blue cover.

1504
01:25:14,484 --> 01:25:17,778
DOM : After a week,
no one could find Ben.

1505
01:25:17,904 --> 01:25:20,697
So everyone was concerned
for his life, you know?

1506
01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:23,992
And then I saw a newsflash.

1507
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,621
REPORTER: The body was found
in waters off Victoria Pier

1508
01:25:27,747 --> 01:25:29,790
around 7: 30 last night.

1509
01:25:29,916 --> 01:25:33,377
Divers were sent in after
a wallet was found at the scene.

1510
01:25:33,503 --> 01:25:35,504
The dead man is believed
to be former

1511
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:38,257
world skateboarding champion
Ben PAPPAS.

1512
01:25:38,383 --> 01:25:42,052
An autopsy is being carried out
to confirm his identity.

1513
01:25:42,178 --> 01:25:44,888
PAPPAS was the main suspect
in the murder of. . .

1514
01:25:45,014 --> 01:25:46,807
GREG : Everyone was
so blown away,

1515
01:25:46,933 --> 01:25:50,227
just blown away and devastated
about what had happened.

1516
01:25:52,772 --> 01:25:55,899
Didn't even think about TAS, no.

1517
01:25:58,653 --> 01:26:00,863
TAS: I was calling Colleen
one day.

1518
01:26:00,989 --> 01:26:04,700
She just wasn't
answering the phone.
I'm getting bloody paranoid.

1519
01:26:04,826 --> 01:26:06,410
So then I called my dad.

1520
01:26:06,536 --> 01:26:10,998
He goes, 'TAS, I need you
to be strong for me.'

1521
01:26:11,124 --> 01:26:15,627
I go, 'What are you talking
about, Dad, be strong for you?'

1522
01:26:15,753 --> 01:26:18,881
He goes, 'TAS,
I need you to be strong for me.'

1523
01:26:22,468 --> 01:26:24,386
I go, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?

1524
01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:26,763
What the fuck is Colleen doing?
Where are my kids?'

1525
01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:29,933
He goes, 'TAS, I need you
to be strong for me.'

1526
01:26:30,059 --> 01:26:33,228
I said, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?'

1527
01:26:33,354 --> 01:26:35,522
He goes, 'Ben has drowned.'

1528
01:26:38,776 --> 01:26:41,612
'What do you mean
Ben's drowned?'

1529
01:26:41,738 --> 01:26:44,990
'Ben's drowned.'

1530
01:26:45,116 --> 01:26:47,534
I've gone,
'Fuck off, he's drowned.

1531
01:26:47,660 --> 01:26:50,078
He can swim. We used
to surf in massive surf.

1532
01:26:50,205 --> 01:26:53,040
He didn't fucking drown.
What are you talking about?'

1533
01:26:53,166 --> 01:26:55,584
He goes, 'Ben's dead.'

1534
01:27:03,259 --> 01:27:06,094
I just remember
being in the day room

1535
01:27:06,221 --> 01:27:08,889
and I've just gone, 'Fuck!'

1536
01:27:09,015 --> 01:27:13,560
I just remember just fucking
storming the room in circles,

1537
01:27:13,686 --> 01:27:16,647
just fucking pissed,
hoping some cunt would kill me.

1538
01:27:35,875 --> 01:27:38,252
BILL WEISS: I just felt
fucking so bad.

1539
01:27:38,378 --> 01:27:40,629
Thinking about his brother,

1540
01:27:40,755 --> 01:27:44,132
thinking of how sad
his dad must have been,

1541
01:27:44,259 --> 01:27:45,676
let alone the whole family

1542
01:27:45,802 --> 01:27:48,887
and then TAS being in jail
during all this.

1543
01:27:51,975 --> 01:27:54,142
I remember talking to him
and saying,

1544
01:27:54,269 --> 01:27:56,353
'Man, fuck,
all your friends love you.

1545
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,647
I know that you're
in a lot of pain, man,

1546
01:27:58,773 --> 01:28:02,651
but, fuck, you've got a lot
going for you right now.

1547
01:28:02,777 --> 01:28:04,778
It doesn't seem like you do,
but you do.'

1548
01:28:04,904 --> 01:28:09,241
And I just remember
he was fucking pissed, man.

1549
01:28:09,367 --> 01:28:10,951
He didn't sound good.

1550
01:28:13,413 --> 01:28:18,542
TAS: Honestly, deep down,
I felt like I failed him.

1551
01:28:18,668 --> 01:28:22,629
I was so shattered
my brother is dead. . .

1552
01:28:22,755 --> 01:28:25,716
..and I was so fucking
pissed off.

1553
01:28:32,056 --> 01:28:35,183
GREG : TAS got deported
and he came back here.

1554
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:38,895
In his mind, his relationship
at the end with Ben

1555
01:28:39,022 --> 01:28:41,356
wasn't what it should have been.

1556
01:28:41,482 --> 01:28:44,234
There was a lot of stuff
that wasn't resolved.

1557
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,069
He was really in a bad way.

1558
01:28:46,195 --> 01:28:49,197
He actually looked
like he was suicidal.

1559
01:28:53,911 --> 01:28:55,579
MAN : Go.

1560
01:28:56,497 --> 01:28:57,622
Four.

1561
01:28:57,749 --> 01:29:00,667
(Hard rock music plays)

1562
01:29:02,211 --> 01:29:04,379
What are you, Colleen?

1563
01:29:05,715 --> 01:29:09,885
(Sings aggressively)

1564
01:29:19,645 --> 01:29:22,606
GREG : He was completely
out of his mind.

1565
01:29:22,732 --> 01:29:25,400
This is crazy,
just crazy out there.

1566
01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:29,946
He was just a mess, he was just
taking it really hard.

1567
01:29:31,157 --> 01:29:32,866
That's for you, you cunt.

1568
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:35,744
DOM : He was in bad shape.

1569
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:39,122
He said to me, 'I can't believe
this is happening.'

1570
01:29:39,248 --> 01:29:43,585
It's gonna be really hard
for him to continue on life.

1571
01:29:45,922 --> 01:29:48,548
TAS: My whole world fell apart
at once.

1572
01:29:48,674 --> 01:29:52,219
I lost my kids, got deported,

1573
01:29:52,345 --> 01:29:54,554
came home to a dead brother.

1574
01:29:57,308 --> 01:30:00,227
I just thought, 'I deserve
to suffer. I hope I die.

1575
01:30:00,353 --> 01:30:03,855
And maybe I'll do something
like the way Ben did.'

1576
01:30:05,441 --> 01:30:08,318
So I got on the same drugs
as him -

1577
01:30:08,444 --> 01:30:14,616
methadone, Xanax, ice, hammer.

1578
01:30:14,742 --> 01:30:16,410
People were saying to me,

1579
01:30:16,536 --> 01:30:18,995
'Fuck, TAS is just
a complete write-off.'

1580
01:30:19,122 --> 01:30:22,666
And then his dad passes away.

1581
01:30:22,792 --> 01:30:24,251
Dad died of a heart attack.

1582
01:30:24,377 --> 01:30:28,797
He was stuck in America.
He was just broken.

1583
01:30:29,924 --> 01:30:32,926
I just had enough.

1584
01:30:33,052 --> 01:30:37,264
I figured the start of the real
end was when Ben got busted.

1585
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,433
That was the end for everyone.

1586
01:30:39,559 --> 01:30:42,310
I just thought I deserved
the misery Ben got

1587
01:30:42,437 --> 01:30:44,229
because I wasn't there for him

1588
01:30:44,355 --> 01:30:47,566
because he died,
and I just wanted to die.

1589
01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:51,403
Then I thought, 'I'm a piece
of fucking shit anyway.

1590
01:30:51,529 --> 01:30:53,321
Who gives a fuck?'

1591
01:31:13,259 --> 01:31:17,971
Next minute, I'm in Argentina
with ten grand Australian,

1592
01:31:18,097 --> 01:31:21,766
a few skateboards,
a bunch of grip tape, glue

1593
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:24,060
and a cheese grater.

1594
01:31:27,190 --> 01:31:29,691
I don't even know
what I was thinking,

1595
01:31:29,817 --> 01:31:31,526
but I just came up
with the plan.

1596
01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:35,071
I went straight up to the taxi
rank, I've met this cab driver,

1597
01:31:35,198 --> 01:31:39,284
I told him the deal and he was
like, 'OK, you wait for me.'

1598
01:31:42,288 --> 01:31:45,499
Then we get driven into
some weird little ghetto thing.

1599
01:31:45,625 --> 01:31:47,292
Next thing you know
I get given a little bag

1600
01:31:47,418 --> 01:31:48,835
and it's got two discs in it

1601
01:31:48,961 --> 01:31:51,129
with a scorpion
pressed in the back of it.

1602
01:31:51,255 --> 01:31:54,132
That's it. Fine.
500g each disc.

1603
01:31:58,888 --> 01:32:01,181
I've gone back to the hotel

1604
01:32:01,307 --> 01:32:03,558
and I've started grinding away.

1605
01:32:06,896 --> 01:32:09,481
I was creeping around the room,

1606
01:32:09,607 --> 01:32:12,442
and I knew
that I had got the answer

1607
01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:14,486
that's going to fix everything.

1608
01:32:14,612 --> 01:32:20,408
O spirit brother, my turn.
This is for you.

1609
01:32:20,535 --> 01:32:24,913
I'm there for four days,
I packed everything up,

1610
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:28,208
grabbed the bag I had,
put everything in it.

1611
01:32:37,301 --> 01:32:39,219
PILOT: Welcome to Sydney.

1612
01:32:39,345 --> 01:32:41,471
Local time approaching 1 1 : 10.

1613
01:32:43,849 --> 01:32:46,851
TAS: Next thing you know, I'm
coming in, landing for Sydney

1614
01:32:46,978 --> 01:32:49,854
and I've had a moment
of clarity

1615
01:32:49,981 --> 01:32:52,482
and I've gone,
'Am I fucking kidding?

1616
01:32:52,608 --> 01:32:55,235
I've got a kilo of coke.
I'm off my fucking head

1617
01:32:55,361 --> 01:32:57,237
and I've changed my ticket.

1618
01:32:57,363 --> 01:32:59,948
I've only been gone five days.
I look like a zombie.

1619
01:33:00,074 --> 01:33:02,158
I'm fucking done!'

1620
01:33:08,207 --> 01:33:10,709
It was so loosely packed, man.

1621
01:33:10,835 --> 01:33:13,587
There were smears of coke
on everything.

1622
01:33:13,713 --> 01:33:15,380
As soon as I walked
into the airport,

1623
01:33:15,506 --> 01:33:17,966
I think the coke machine
just started buzzing.

1624
01:33:19,218 --> 01:33:23,346
(Beeping)

1625
01:33:23,472 --> 01:33:26,349
That thing just started going
ballistic as soon as it saw me.

1626
01:33:26,475 --> 01:33:28,893
That's how much residue
there was all over me.

1627
01:33:29,020 --> 01:33:31,229
It was so loosely packed.

1628
01:33:31,355 --> 01:33:34,524
The first question they asked,
'What's in the boards?'

1629
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:37,444
It was that bloody obvious.

1630
01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:42,532
They all jumped on me,
cuffed me. Quite a fiasco.

1631
01:33:42,658 --> 01:33:47,495
I had ground up a kilo
to a nice little pile on a table

1632
01:33:47,622 --> 01:33:49,497
and it was falling
on my clothes,

1633
01:33:49,624 --> 01:33:51,958
it's all over the boards
when I was packing it in.

1634
01:33:52,084 --> 01:33:53,418
I just wiped it off with water.

1635
01:33:53,544 --> 01:33:55,420
What was I thinking?

1636
01:33:55,546 --> 01:33:57,047
I was completely gone.

1637
01:33:57,173 --> 01:34:00,592
I was so embarrassed.
I was so ashamed, man.

1638
01:34:00,718 --> 01:34:03,637
GREG : There were these pictures
on the internet

1639
01:34:03,763 --> 01:34:06,014
from the Australian
Skateboarding website -

1640
01:34:06,140 --> 01:34:07,932
three or four boards

1641
01:34:08,059 --> 01:34:10,060
with all 'Fragile' stickers
wrapped around

1642
01:34:10,186 --> 01:34:12,812
and it said, 'A skateboarder is
caught in Sydney Airport

1643
01:34:12,938 --> 01:34:14,397
with cocaine in his boards.'

1644
01:34:14,523 --> 01:34:16,149
And you just knew instantly
it was TAS.

1645
01:34:16,275 --> 01:34:19,694
You didn't even have to say TAS.
It screamed TAS all over it.

1646
01:34:19,820 --> 01:34:22,989
You would have to be completely
off your head

1647
01:34:23,115 --> 01:34:26,451
to even think you were gonna
get away with those skateboards.

1648
01:34:26,577 --> 01:34:29,204
It was such a similar
subconscious thing

1649
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:31,539
that was happening
with what Ben did.

1650
01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:35,835
It was actually.. .
It was pretty sad.

1651
01:34:46,472 --> 01:34:50,892
Switch. . . (Speaks indistinctly)

1652
01:34:51,018 --> 01:34:55,271
TAS: In the end,
I got three years.

1653
01:34:55,398 --> 01:34:58,024
I'm doing 50-50s,
you know what I mean?

1654
01:34:58,150 --> 01:35:00,819
I think it's been good for me.

1655
01:35:00,945 --> 01:35:04,155
It's been very good for me,
it's exactly what I've needed.

1656
01:35:04,281 --> 01:35:06,199
I needed to be locked in a cell

1657
01:35:06,325 --> 01:35:09,160
to really think
about my brother.

1658
01:35:09,286 --> 01:35:14,457
Because I couldn't handle the
pain. It was too much at once.

1659
01:35:14,583 --> 01:35:19,629
I went straight. I was forced to
face my issues, which was good.

1660
01:35:19,755 --> 01:35:21,798
You feel like you're weak
because of it,

1661
01:35:21,924 --> 01:35:24,551
but it's actually strong
when you can admit it.

1662
01:35:25,386 --> 01:35:27,053
I miss my brother.

1663
01:35:29,348 --> 01:35:31,599
I miss him.

1664
01:35:37,815 --> 01:35:42,902
I just cried a lot in jail
thinking about Ben as a kid,

1665
01:35:43,028 --> 01:35:46,322
me as a kid
and how it all turned out.

1666
01:35:50,077 --> 01:35:53,371
BILL WEISS: It seems like
they're painted one way

1667
01:35:53,497 --> 01:35:55,457
and people perceived them
in that way.

1668
01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:58,001
To me,
they weren't like that at all.

1669
01:35:58,127 --> 01:36:02,547
They were fucking crazy, crazy
as anyone else at the time,

1670
01:36:02,673 --> 01:36:05,175
but those guys were just really
cool people, man.

1671
01:36:05,301 --> 01:36:06,676
They were really generous

1672
01:36:06,802 --> 01:36:08,762
and I think that's truly
the mentality

1673
01:36:08,888 --> 01:36:11,598
of most skateboarders.

1674
01:36:11,724 --> 01:36:15,435
On top of that, vert skating
was pretty much dead,

1675
01:36:15,561 --> 01:36:17,562
and they put a big hand

1676
01:36:17,688 --> 01:36:21,357
in saving skateboarding
right there.

1677
01:36:21,484 --> 01:36:23,359
HENRY SANCHEZ:
When I heard about Ben,

1678
01:36:23,486 --> 01:36:26,404
I was like,
'Damn, skating just lost one

1679
01:36:26,530 --> 01:36:32,952
of the sickest style skaters in
the history of skateboarding.'

1680
01:36:33,078 --> 01:36:36,498
I think those guys belong
in the history books

1681
01:36:36,624 --> 01:36:40,084
and TAS. . . TAS is still here
so he definitely needs to be

1682
01:36:40,211 --> 01:36:43,463
in the scene
with all those guys.

1683
01:36:43,589 --> 01:36:45,673
LANCE CONKLIN : Those guys
should still be right here

1684
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,050
fucking kicking ass,

1685
01:36:47,176 --> 01:36:49,886
doing the same shit
they were doing.

1686
01:36:50,012 --> 01:36:52,680
It's fucking sad.

1687
01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:59,604
Skateboarders got fucked
in the ass so bad by bullshit.

1688
01:36:59,730 --> 01:37:04,526
Skateboarding used to be so
fucking great, and it still is,

1689
01:37:04,652 --> 01:37:06,903
but it's so fucking fucked.

1690
01:37:08,906 --> 01:37:10,782
TAS: Skateboarding is a gift,

1691
01:37:10,908 --> 01:37:15,411
and it did take me and Ben away
from crap in St. Albans.

1692
01:37:15,538 --> 01:37:17,789
But somehow we got sucked back
into the life

1693
01:37:17,915 --> 01:37:21,167
we would have had
in St Albans anyway.

1694
01:37:21,293 --> 01:37:23,795
I mean, I don't care.
I'm over it now.

1695
01:37:23,921 --> 01:37:25,880
There's no point
in holding onto it.

1696
01:37:26,006 --> 01:37:28,049
But it got pretty heavy.

1697
01:37:32,763 --> 01:37:36,432
Somehow in my big
demented stage,

1698
01:37:36,559 --> 01:37:41,563
I met Helen, we fell in love,
we had Billy straightaway.

1699
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:43,773
She stuck by me.

1700
01:37:43,899 --> 01:37:46,651
Yeah, I just needed a strong
Australian woman

1701
01:37:46,777 --> 01:37:48,820
to help me through my shit.

1702
01:38:26,650 --> 01:38:29,319
TAS: I feel like God has given
Ben a second chance.

1703
01:38:29,445 --> 01:38:33,781
His soul is coming back
in this kid.

1704
01:38:33,908 --> 01:38:37,952
When I look at Billy,
I feel it's Ben.

1705
01:38:41,957 --> 01:38:48,004
I feel like I will Barnes it to
the death for my new Elias.